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Default Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:24:38 +0000, Roland Perry
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In message , Steve
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Yes, that was the point of the charge, i.e. to increase the movement of
transport in the zone. To argue that because the road was clear you should
not pay is nonsensical.


I'm arguing that it's inequitable for me to pay the whole charge to
drive a very short distance (on a road that pre-congestion-charge was
just as empty) as someone who is using the central roads all day.


It is inequitable. The Congestion Charge at present is pretty crude.

Maybe the technology and move towards a metered approach?


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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:30:32 +0000, Robert Woolley
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It is inequitable. The Congestion Charge at present is pretty crude.

Maybe the technology and move towards a metered approach?


Why? The charge is arguably more aimed at preventing avoidable
journeys, of which many are short.

If someone has a need to drive around *all day* within the Zone, and
are willing to pay all the other charges associated with this (parking
etc), they probably have a genuine need for their vehicle.

This is the reason, incidentally, why there is no season ticket/block
booking facility (other than for residents). It is supposed to be as
inconvenient/expensive as possible - not to be made easy.

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Neil Williams wrote:
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It is inequitable. The Congestion Charge at present is pretty crude.

Maybe the technology and move towards a metered approach?


Why? The charge is arguably more aimed at preventing avoidable
journeys, of which many are short.

If someone has a need to drive around *all day* within the Zone, and
are willing to pay all the other charges associated with this (parking
etc), they probably have a genuine need for their vehicle.

This is the reason, incidentally, why there is no season ticket/block
booking facility (other than for residents). It is supposed to be as
inconvenient/expensive as possible - not to be made easy.

And that's bad policy! Making it expensive is OK, because at least TfL
get the money - but making it inconvenient is just stupid - businesses
lose much of the benefit that the congestion charge would have brought,
and TfL get nothing.
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