On 28/04/2010 07:59, MIG wrote:
On 28 Apr, 07:32, "Peter wrote:

It makes sense only to include
line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't
include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include
Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District.

Peter

But it's only in the last few years that the C stock has stopped
showing Olympia. Always a strange anomaly till then

Hardly, because half of the morning rush hour C-stocks to and from
Edgware Road used to run to and from Olympia. The D-Stock shuttle would
only start when the morning rush hour was over.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Abigail Brady
wrote:

I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show
the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't
got round to putting them on yet. Wait a month, then see...

Once the extension to Highbury and Islington is completed the two
lines will overlap, with a common stop at Canonbury, so they will need
something by then won't they?

On Apr 28, 8:51*am, Abigail Brady wrote:

On Apr 28, 7:32*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:

There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another (dual
voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to include
line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D stock don't
include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams, and C stock include
Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District.

Which may or may not make sense as a principle, but evidently isn't
the principle being followed
for these London Overground maps, 'cos otherwise they wouldn't show
the Goblin (which they do).

I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show
the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't
got round to putting them on yet. *Wait a month, then see...

I concur - I doubt it's anything more complicated than that.

On Apr 28, 10:55*am, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:51:47 -0700 (PDT), Abigail Brady
wrote:
I suggest the reason the WLL trains observed hadn't got maps that show
the ELL isn't that they have decided not to, it is that they haven't
got round to putting them on yet. *Wait a month, then see...

Once the extension to Highbury and Islington is completed the two
lines will overlap, with a common stop at Canonbury, so they will need
something by then won't they? *

The line through to H&I won't be open until some time next year.

On 28/04/2010 07:32, Peter Masson wrote:


"Ernesto" wrote

I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the
378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under
construction".

There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another
(dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC. It makes sense only to
include line diagrams for the lines the trains will run on. Similarly D
stock don't include the Circle/H&C on their line diagrams,

They don't even include HSK - Edgware Road, unless they've changed recently.

and C stock
include Wimbledon - Edgware Road, but not teh rest of the District.

Peter Masson wrote:
"Ernesto" wrote

I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the
378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under
construction".

There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another
(dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC.

They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire
LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at
this stage. I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major
rethink though...

Paul S

E27002 wrote:
On Apr 27, 12:50 am, TimB wrote:
There's a cab-view video of a test run on the ELl
athttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8620188.stm- rather
entertaining at the end where it seems to be herding track workers
along the line.
Oh and by the way, they're announcing that the line is open, Monday
to Friday.

In the video I do not see the inside car line diagrams that
underground cars have. Will these not be a feature of the "London
Overground"? I always found them very useful.


If you are looking at the 54 second video that is there today, (rather than
the original video from last years testing), the line diagrams are there,
but above the doors, they just don't come out too clearly - stop the vid at
about 6 secs, it is just visible behind the far orange grab rail.

Of course as it shows the whole LO network it has a bit more height than an
ordinary 'strip' like most underground trains except the 'Circle etc'
shown in the C stock.

Paul S

On Apr 28, 7:07*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:

"Ernesto" wrote

I traveled on the WLL later on in the day, the line diagrams on the
378 I rode on made no mention of the ELL at all, not even as "under
construction".

There are two separate fleets, one (DC only) for the ELL, and another
(dual voltage) for the NLL/WLL/Euston-Watford DC.

They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the entire
LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as you'd expect at
this stage. *I don't see how they could include the SLL without a major
rethink though...

For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the
378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which
will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through
running south of NXG starts in late May):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/

Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:


They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the
entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as
you'd expect at this stage. I don't see how they could include the
SLL without a major rethink though...

For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the
378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which
will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through
running south of NXG starts in late May):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/

378/1 he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffde...7623819448177/

Paul S

On Apr 28, 12:39*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:07 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

They haven't done that with the maps Peter, the ELL trains have the
entire LO network, including West Croydon and Crystal Palace as
you'd expect at this stage. I don't see how they could include the
SLL without a major rethink though...

For reference the line diagram/ map (whatever it is) that's in the
378/0s can be seen here - note that this is the pre-ELL version (which
will presumably be updated soon, though maybe not before through
running south of NXG starts in late May):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3716599200/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3717604074/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceej-muso/3863749969/

378/1 he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffde.../set-721576238...

Paul S

Thanks for posting. I had not seen the overground diagram before. I
was oble to size your picture to the maximum, and the diagram was very
clear.