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That would be consistent with my recollections, I agree. I'd forgotten
about freight. I recall milk trains in platform 1 at Vauxhall but maybe
they used to sit in Kensington sidings too.

I think milk wagons were sorted in Kensington sidings ready for dispatch
to various bottling plants in SW London. Vauxhall platform 1 was
certainly one such destination - the milk went straight down stainless
steel pipes into the United Dairies bottling depot in the arches below
the station. The empties would then go up to Waterloo for reversal back
to CJ. Other milk wagons went to Stewarts Lane depot and to the Express
Dairy bottling plant at Morden.

I've never seen the central track ("the middle siding") between
platforms 2 and 3 at CJ used in modern times. At the west end it only
connected with the Kensington sidings and, with those out of use, it is
pretty much redundant and therefore an excellent solution for allowing
two different services to use platform 2.

--
Paul Terry

On 1 May, 18:50, Paul Terry wrote:
In message ,
writes

That would be consistent with my recollections, I agree. I'd forgotten
about freight. I recall milk trains in platform 1 at Vauxhall but maybe
they used to sit in Kensington sidings too.

I think milk wagons were sorted in Kensington sidings ready for dispatch
to various bottling plants in SW London. Vauxhall platform 1 was
certainly one such destination - the milk went straight down stainless
steel pipes into the United Dairies bottling depot in the arches below
the station. The empties would then go up to Waterloo for reversal back
to CJ. Other milk wagons went to Stewarts Lane depot and to the Express
Dairy bottling plant at Morden.

I've never seen the central track ("the middle siding") between
platforms 2 and 3 at CJ used in modern times. At the west end it only
connected with the Kensington sidings and, with those out of use, it is
pretty much redundant and therefore an excellent solution for allowing
two different services to use platform 2.


Definitely used in recent years for parking some interestingly
coloured 47s and 31s from one or other of the charter companies in
recent years.

On May 1, 8:42*pm, MIG wrote:

On 1 May, 18:50, Paul Terry wrote:

In message ,
writes

That would be consistent with my recollections, I agree. I'd forgotten
about freight. I recall milk trains in platform 1 at Vauxhall but maybe
they used to sit in Kensington sidings too.

I think milk wagons were sorted in Kensington sidings ready for dispatch
to various bottling plants in SW London. Vauxhall platform 1 was
certainly one such destination - the milk went straight down stainless
steel pipes into the United Dairies bottling depot in the arches below
the station. The empties would then go up to Waterloo for reversal back
to CJ. Other milk wagons went to Stewarts Lane depot and to the Express
Dairy bottling plant at Morden.

I've never seen the central track ("the middle siding") between
platforms 2 and 3 at CJ used in modern times. At the west end it only
connected with the Kensington sidings and, with those out of use, it is
pretty much redundant and therefore an excellent solution for allowing
two different services to use platform 2.

Definitely used in recent years for parking some interestingly
coloured 47s and 31s from one or other of the charter companies in
recent years.

Agree I've seen it used in recent-ish years (though not lately),
though never saw anything actually moving there. Wasn't one of the
Eurostar class 37s parked up there for quite some time?

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On May 1, 8:42*pm, MIG wrote:

I've never seen the central track ("the middle siding") between
platforms 2 and 3 at CJ used in modern times. At the west end it
only connected with the Kensington sidings and, with those out of
use, it is pretty much redundant and therefore an excellent solution
for allowing two different services to use platform 2.

Definitely used in recent years for parking some interestingly
coloured 47s and 31s from one or other of the charter companies in
recent years.

Agree I've seen it used in recent-ish years (though not lately),
though never saw anything actually moving there. Wasn't one of the
Eurostar class 37s parked up there for quite some time?

The only time I saw them was in the tracks between the Windsor and main
lines.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, MIG wrote:

On 30 Apr, 22:38, "Richard J." wrote:
MIG wrote on 30 April 2010 16:32:41 ...

On 30 Apr, 12:15, Mizter *wrote:
On Apr 30, 11:59 am, *wrote:

*wrote:

Seems to me that the NLL goes further W and S than both the WLL and
the SLL.

Just following the LU tradition, whereby the Northern Line goes further
south than other lines and the Metropolitan Line goes further from the
metropolis than any other LU line.

*Exactly* what I was going to say!

And what I should have said was that the NLL goes further W than the
WLL, further S than the SLL and further E than the ELL ...

Further south than the SLL is a questionable claim. *Based on Google
maps, I believe Richmond (the southernmost part of the NLL) is just
slightly further north than the southernmost part of the SLL (the
flyover over Brixton station) - by about 0.0004 degrees of latitude, or
around 50 metres.

Please don't spoil my claims with facts.

Hang on, surely that means that if you only consider points served by the
lines, ie stations rather than bits of track such as Brixton where the SLL
famously does not stop, then your claim is supported by the facts?

To add to the list, we have Southern running trains further north than
North London Railway (aka London Overground).

tom

--
Mr. Cadbury's Parrot impressions go down surprisingly well during
lovemaking! -- D

Tom Anderson wrote on 03 May 2010 11:26:52 ...
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, MIG wrote:

On 30 Apr, 22:38, "Richard wrote:
wrote on 30 April 2010 16:32:41 ...

And what I should have said was that the NLL goes further W than the
WLL, further S than the SLL and further E than the ELL ...

Further south than the SLL is a questionable claim. Based on Google
maps, I believe Richmond (the southernmost part of the NLL) is just
slightly further north than the southernmost part of the SLL (the
flyover over Brixton station) - by about 0.0004 degrees of latitude, or
around 50 metres.

Please don't spoil my claims with facts.

Hang on, surely that means that if you only consider points served by the
lines, ie stations rather than bits of track such as Brixton where the SLL
famously does not stop, then your claim is supported by the facts?

Aha, I knew someone would raise that!
His claim was that the NLL "goes further S" than the SLL, not that it
stops further south.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On May 4, 9:19*am, "Richard J." wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote on 03 May 2010 11:26:52 ...

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, MIG wrote:

On 30 Apr, 22:38, "Richard *wrote:

*wrote on 30 April 2010 16:32:41 ....
And what I should have said was that the NLL goes further W than the
WLL, further S than the SLL and further E than the ELL ...

Further south than the SLL is a questionable claim. *Based on Google
maps, I believe Richmond (the southernmost part of the NLL) is just
slightly further north than the southernmost part of the SLL (the
flyover over Brixton station) - by about 0.0004 degrees of latitude, or
around 50 metres.

Please don't spoil my claims with facts.

Hang on, surely that means that if you only consider points served by the
lines, ie stations rather than bits of track such as Brixton where the SLL
famously does not stop, then your claim is supported by the facts?

Aha, I knew someone would raise that!
His claim was that the NLL "goes further S" than the SLL, not that it
stops further south.

I'm enjoying this Battle Royale...

To add to it, the actual line itself is now known as the "Atlantic
lines" (plural, I think) west of Peckham Rye station - well, Crofton
Road junction just west of P Rye is where I think the official
designation starts, not sure. East of this point, i.e. from P Rye up
to London Bridge, the lines are still known as the "South London
Line". In days of yore, before various junctions went it (in the early/
mid 80's I think), then my understanding is that the whole line was
known as the South London Line - the partial re-designation as the
Atlantic Lines (named after Atlantic Road in Brixton) I think
reflects the fact that the actual trackwork on the alignment(s)
between P Rye and Wandsworth Road/ Factory Junction is now more
flexible (e.g. the Atlantic lines are used by freight to/from the WLL,
other non-stopping passenger services such as Vic-Dartford via
Lewisham, etc).

Of course it all depends on whether we're talking about name of the
train service (i.e. that which is in common-ish usage) or the
(official) name of the line (i.e. the actual track). Confused... I am!

On Tue, 4 May 2010, Richard J. wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote on 03 May 2010 11:26:52 ...
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010, MIG wrote:

On 30 Apr, 22:38, "Richard wrote:
wrote on 30 April 2010 16:32:41 ...

And what I should have said was that the NLL goes further W than the
WLL, further S than the SLL and further E than the ELL ...

Further south than the SLL is a questionable claim. Based on Google
maps, I believe Richmond (the southernmost part of the NLL) is just
slightly further north than the southernmost part of the SLL (the
flyover over Brixton station) - by about 0.0004 degrees of latitude, or
around 50 metres.

Please don't spoil my claims with facts.

Hang on, surely that means that if you only consider points served by the
lines, ie stations rather than bits of track such as Brixton where the SLL
famously does not stop, then your claim is supported by the facts?

Aha, I knew someone would raise that! His claim was that the NLL "goes
further S" than the SLL, not that it stops further south.

If a railway line's trains don't call somewhere, then it can't be said to
go there - it might pass through it, but it doesn't go there. If i take
the tube from the Angel to the Elephant, would you let me get away with
saying "i went to the middle of the Thames today"? Before the wall came
down, would you have said that the West Berlin U-bahn went to East Berlin?
It certainly passed under it, but you would have a very hard time indeed
travelling there on it. This is my story and i am sticking to it.

tom

--
My goal wasn't to make a ton of money. It was to build good computers. --
Woz

Tom Anderson:
If a railway line's trains don't call somewhere, then it can't be said to
go there - it might pass through it, but it doesn't go there. ... Before
the wall came down, would you have said that the West Berlin U-bahn went
to East Berlin?

Sure -- at Friedrichstrasse station. You could get off there and either
visit the duty-free shop (a source of foreign exchange for the East
Germans), change to the West Berlin S-Bahn (which was also run by the
East Germans!), or go through East German customs and enter East Berlin.

Assuming, of course, that you had the applicable rights/permissions to do so.
--
Mark Brader | ...politicians are forever seeking a "level playing field":
Toronto | it lets them talk out of both sides of their mouth.
| --Roland Hutchinson

Tom Anderson wrote:

If a railway line's trains don't call somewhere, then it can't be said to
go there - it might pass through it, but it doesn't go there. If i take
the tube from the Angel to the Elephant, would you let me get away with
saying "i went to the middle of the Thames today"?

No. The line does not go through the middle of the Thames, but under it.

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