Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

Paul S

On May 20, 5:43*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

The empty white space between New Cross Gate and London Bridge does
look a bit odd when you know what's there. Ditto the space between
Waterloo, Vauxhall and Clapham Junction (and indeed CJ to Wimbledon
and Richmond), plus the lack of a line from Victoria to CJ too. And
then there's the lack of a line between CJ and Balham, and then once
you're into this territory you find yourself wanting to start drawing
lines all over the map...!

Anyhow I bet the inclusion of these SE London stations on the Tube map
will also serve to increase awareness and patronage on the existing
Southern service to and from London Bridge.

On May 20, 9:43*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

Thank you for posting Paul. It is good to se TfL's increased presence
in South London. This is long overdue, and very welcome.

On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:43:12 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

I still don't get the 'interchange' link between Dalston Junction and
Dalston Kingsland. Is there a practical link or do you have to exit
on to Dalston Lane or Kingsland Road respectively then cross two busy
roads to get to the other station?

On May 20, 6:17*pm, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:43:12 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

I still don't get the 'interchange' link between Dalston Junction and
Dalston Kingsland. * Is there a practical link or do you have to exit
on to Dalston Lane or Kingsland Road respectively then cross two busy
roads to get to the other station?

The practical link is the pavement.

You actually only need to cross the main road(s) *once* - if you come
out of Dalston Jn onto Dalston Lane (which the only entrance that's
open at the moment), turn left and go to the south-east corner of the
junction there's a diagonal crossing across Kingsland High Road to the
north-west corner - voila, you're on the right side of the road for
Dalston Kingsland station (with a couple of side roads to cross).

You can see this crossing in the middle of this Bing Maps bird's eye
view - it's sandwiched between the two yellow cross-hatched box
junctions:
http://www.bing.com/maps/?cp=skqxp7g...12454377&sty=o

Of course anyone going to Dalston on the first week of the full ELL
service should be aware that the NLL isn't running from Dalston
Kinsgland until the beginning of June (replacement buses run instead).
Plus the LO network is looking particularly patchy this Sunday - see
the maps that Ian of IanVisits has put together here...
http://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2010...ink-on-sunday/

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[1] Unless the new bus station bit/ bus loop to the south has opened
in the past few days?

Ivor The Engine wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:43:12 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

I still don't get the 'interchange' link between Dalston Junction and
Dalston Kingsland. Is there a practical link or do you have to exit
on to Dalston Lane or Kingsland Road respectively then cross two busy
roads to get to the other station?

It's only a temporary use of the interchange symbol, surely, because once
the next extension opens it will be a better bet to carry on to Canonbury
and return if heading to/from the east. I'd be surprised if the elongated
interchange isn't ditched next year some time...

Paul S

On Thu, 20 May 2010 18:17:19 +0100, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:43:12 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mods applied for Sunday's ELL opening

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...d-tube-map.pdf

I still don't get the 'interchange' link between Dalston Junction and
Dalston Kingsland. Is there a practical link or do you have to exit
on to Dalston Lane or Kingsland Road respectively then cross two busy
roads to get to the other station?

Without knowing the stations involved, I interpreted it as meaning
that Dalston Junction was (wheelchair) accessible and Dalston
Kingsland was not.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:16:56 +0100, Scott
wrote:

Without knowing the stations involved, I interpreted it as meaning
that Dalston Junction was (wheelchair) accessible and Dalston
Kingsland was not.

No, there are two different symbols. The wheelchair symbol indicates
that Dalston Junction has step-free access; The linked discs indicate
an interchange with another line - look at Shadwell or Kings Cross for
examples where interchange is at the same station, there are lots
more.

On Mon, 24 May 2010 23:56:51 +0100, Ivor The Engine
wrote:

On Mon, 24 May 2010 21:16:56 +0100, Scott
wrote:

Without knowing the stations involved, I interpreted it as meaning
that Dalston Junction was (wheelchair) accessible and Dalston
Kingsland was not.

No, there are two different symbols. The wheelchair symbol indicates
that Dalston Junction has step-free access; The linked discs indicate
an interchange with another line - look at Shadwell or Kings Cross for
examples where interchange is at the same station, there are lots
more.

But does the lack of wheelchair symbol on the other line not indicate
that only the ELL station has wheelchair access?

On Tue, 25 May 2010 00:37:46 +0100, Scott
wrote:

But does the lack of wheelchair symbol on the other line not indicate
that only the ELL station has wheelchair access?

It's not 'wheelchair access', it's 'step-free access'. People with
limited mobility also appreciate knowing they don't have to climb
stairs.

What you say is correct, but that stands for every other station on
the map without the symbol. The two stations are not physically
linked to one another, you have to exit one and cross a road to get to
the other, making it less of an interchange than it appears to be from
the map. If travelling on Oyster, you would have to touch out and
touch in, potentially charging you for two journeys (unless the system
can recognise that?)