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Default Woops - Sign on Haggerston ELL - Platform 1

On Tue, 25 May 2010 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
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On May 25, 11:50*am, Ivor The Engine
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On Tue, 25 May 2010 03:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
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On May 25, 10:38*am, CJB wrote:
Is Haggerston really to the north of Dalston? Or have they made a
mistake? I think signs at other nearby stations may be the same.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/50503868@N03/4637990759/


The sign doesn't actually claim any direction is north (it's you who's
drawn on the "N") - the sign is a diagramattic representation of the
ELL


It's in the wrong direction anyway, pointing west, not north!


Well, if Haggerston was 'pointing south' then the arrow could be said
to be pointing east - the point of course is that the sign is just a
diagrammatic representation of the routes from that station, rather
than a geographically accurate representation.

True but such signs do IME tend to show lines in their correct
relative locations if not accurately by scale and direction (which
would be difficult with the NLL as it runs roughly in a curve). This
one seems a bit like showing the Chesham branch below the Metropolitan
main line on an Underground map; do any down/northbound station line
diagrams put the Chesham branch on the LHS ?


The sign shows that one can travel north from Haggerston and change at
Dalston onto the NLL.


I'm pleased, for clarity, to see that it has a small 'walk' symbol
between the Dalston stations.

What happens in May - completely new signage, or a 'sticky label'
showing links at Canonbury and H&L? * I know they need to be accurate
but this is a pretty short term arrangement.


I think the current signs actually are an 'all over' sticky label
arrangements (i.e. ones that cover the entire sign) - underneath is
the permanent signage which shows both the extensions to H&I and also
to Claphan Jn via Peckham.


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Default Woops - Sign on Haggerston ELL - Platform 1

On 26 May, 04:38, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2010 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T





wrote:
On May 25, 11:50*am, Ivor The Engine
wrote:


On Tue, 25 May 2010 03:06:25 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:
On May 25, 10:38*am, CJB wrote:
Is Haggerston really to the north of Dalston? Or have they made a
mistake? I think signs at other nearby stations may be the same.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/50503868@N03/4637990759/


The sign doesn't actually claim any direction is north (it's you who's
drawn on the "N") - the sign is a diagramattic representation of the
ELL


It's in the wrong direction anyway, pointing west, not north!


Well, if Haggerston was 'pointing south' then the arrow could be said
to be pointing east - the point of course is that the sign is just a
diagrammatic representation of the routes from that station, rather
than a geographically accurate representation.


True but such signs do IME tend to show lines in their correct
relative locations if not accurately by scale and direction (which
would be difficult with the NLL as it runs roughly in a curve). This
one seems a bit like showing the Chesham branch below the Metropolitan
main line on an Underground map; do any down/northbound station line
diagrams put the Chesham branch on the LHS ?





The sign shows that one can travel north from Haggerston and change at
Dalston onto the NLL.


I'm pleased, for clarity, to see that it has a small 'walk' symbol
between the Dalston stations.


What happens in May - completely new signage, or a 'sticky label'
showing links at Canonbury and H&L? * I know they need to be accurate
but this is a pretty short term arrangement.


I think the current signs actually are an 'all over' sticky label
arrangements (i.e. ones that cover the entire sign) - underneath is
the permanent signage which shows both the extensions to H&I and also
to Claphan Jn via Peckham.


After the non-branching lines like Victoria and Bakerloo tried mirror
image type diagrams in the trains, ie with the order of stations
matching the direction of the train, it was tried on the District as
well.

It didn't last long. I certainly found it very confusing to suggest
that you'd turn right to get to Wimbledon, particularly if one knew
that Hammersmith was west. Matching the actual direction of the train
didn't really help much at all.
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