On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:54:50 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

It avoids people having to publish two addresses - one for postal
purposes and a second so that you can find where they are.

Don't know about you, but these days I find out where someone is by
typing their postcode into Google Maps or my sat-nav.

Neil
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In message , at 20:35:44 on
Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Neil Williams
remarked:
It avoids people having to publish two addresses - one for postal
purposes and a second so that you can find where they are.

Don't know about you, but these days I find out where someone is by
typing their postcode into Google Maps or my sat-nav.

Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?
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Roland Perry

On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:08:39 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?

I don't know when I suggested that. All I suggested was that the
counties are irrelevant.

Google Maps etc don't locate a postcode by what county it is in. They
have a database mapping postcodes to longitude/latitude.

Neil
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In message , at 21:17:03 on
Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Neil Williams
remarked:
Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?

I don't know when I suggested that.

You suggested a continental model last night.
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Roland Perry

On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:26:17 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 21:17:03 on
Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Neil Williams
remarked:
Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?

I don't know when I suggested that.

You suggested a continental model last night.

I didn't. I suggested that the only data required to form an address
would be as per the Continental system, i.e.:-

10 Anystreet
Anytown AB1 2CD

....in which the street and town act as effectively checksums and to
help the postman (actually only "10 AB1 2CD" is theoretically enough,
but then there is no "checksum"). There is no need for district of
the town nor for county, as the postcode will provide that
information, and duplicate street names in a given town aren't that
common. I tend to use that sort of format anyway, and haven't found
it a problem.

I did not at any point suggest that our postcode system should be
reduced in scope to one of lower resolution such as that found in
other countries.

Neil
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 20:35:44 on
Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Neil Williams remarked:
It avoids people having to publish two addresses - one for postal
purposes and a second so that you can find where they are.

Don't know about you, but these days I find out where someone is by
typing their postcode into Google Maps or my sat-nav.

Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?
--
Roland Perry

It certainly works with an address where I used to live in New York - you
can try it out for yourself because I've given the address below. The Royal
Mail seem to be trying to move this way, although they're not doing a very
good job of educating the Great British Public.

I would be strongly in favour of a system that is more highly mechanised
(and much cheaper) such as the USA has. All US addresses follow the format

Street address
City, StateZip

The Street address contains the building name or number, the street name
and an optional apartment/room number, in that order.

So my address was

377 Rector Place Apt #5A
NEW YORK, NY10280-1534

If you don't follow the above format your mail probably won't be delivered
at all or, at the very best, takes a long time to reach its destination.

The first five digits of the zip code identify the local mail delivery
office, the next four digits (which are optional) identify a group of around
15 delivery points. Google maps doesn't handle the extended zip code, but it
gets near enough.

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DAS

In message , at 00:30:21 on Tue, 3 Aug
2010, David A Stocks remarked:
377 Rector Place Apt #5A
NEW YORK, NY10280-1534

If you don't follow the above format your mail probably won't be
delivered at all or, at the very best, takes a long time to reach its
destination.

The first five digits of the zip code identify the local mail delivery
office, the next four digits (which are optional) identify a group of
around 15 delivery points. Google maps doesn't handle the extended zip
code, but it gets near enough.

I lived in Atlanta for a year, and the five-digit part of the postcode
was all that anyone used. Unfortunately for geo-location purposes it
covered a rather large area. Indeed, despite being in the suburbs (and
not even the outer suburbs) the nearest Post Office (which was also the
district sorting and delivery office) was a 20 minute drive away!
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Roland Perry

On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 09:08:39PM +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:35:44 on
Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Neil Williams
remarked:
Don't know about you, but these days I find out where someone is by
typing their postcode into Google Maps or my sat-nav.
Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?

Of course it would, given that it works in the rest of Europe. Sure,
you don't type in the postcode, but Tomtom on my phone knows *exactly*
where to find most of my continental friends.

eg ...

hit "Navigate to", "Address", select Germany from the list of countries,
type five letters to find the town, type three letters to find the
street, it then asks me for the house number and directs me right to
their front door.

This is actually quicker than, in the UK, typing in the entire postcode
(with irritating switches between letters and numbers) and the house
number.

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In message , at 12:55:02
on Tue, 3 Aug 2010, David Cantrell remarked:

Don't know about you, but these days I find out where someone is by
typing their postcode into Google Maps or my sat-nav.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------- ^^^^^^^^^^

Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?

Of course it would, given that it works in the rest of Europe. Sure,
you don't type in the postcode, but Tomtom on my phone knows *exactly*
where to find most of my continental friends.

eg ...

hit "Navigate to", "Address", select Germany from the list of countries,
type five letters to find the town,

Have they avoided having (the equivalent of) half a dozen towns called
"Newport", or does it show some (equivalent of) County information to
help sort out one from the other?

type three letters to find the
street, it then asks me for the house number and directs me right to
their front door.

You seem to be *not* typing the German postcode into your TomTom.

Typing in the street address is all very well, but this is a discussion
about postcodes.

This is actually quicker than, in the UK, typing in the entire postcode
(with irritating switches between letters and numbers) and the house
number.

My satnav doesn't require me to change between letters and numbers in
order to enter a UK postcode. But nor do I have my satnav with me at all
times, so I cannot rely upon it (in the absence of county information in
someone's address that I am trying to locate).
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Roland Perry

On 03/08/2010 13:32, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:55:02
on Tue, 3 Aug 2010, David Cantrell remarked:

Don't know about you, but these days I find out where someone is by
typing their postcode into Google Maps or my sat-nav.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------- ^^^^^^^^^^

Ad you think that would still work if we had a two-tier (continental
style) address model in the UK?

Of course it would, given that it works in the rest of Europe. Sure,
you don't type in the postcode, but Tomtom on my phone knows *exactly*
where to find most of my continental friends.

eg ...

hit "Navigate to", "Address", select Germany from the list of countries,
type five letters to find the town,

Have they avoided having (the equivalent of) half a dozen towns called
"Newport", or does it show some (equivalent of) County information to
help sort out one from the other?

There is /Main and /Oder for Frankfurt, and various X im Y names.

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