"Colin McKenzie" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:37:08 +0100, Peter Smyth
wrote:
Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or
extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail
infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas
below are more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some
possible interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page
order, starting in NW London and finishing in the SE.

22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly

Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to
be going ahead.

The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically
it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London
Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be
dropped if housing is built instead of offices.

Yes, the second office building still looks unlet, so I don't suppose
they'll be in any hurry to build more.

In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010,
Colin McKenzie remarked:
22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly

Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to
be going ahead.

The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically
it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London
Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped
if housing is built instead of offices.

A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that
passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a
zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at
Park Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and
number of interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most
strained. And they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of
lateral thinking seems to be beyond London Underground.

It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly"
would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading
the Central.
--
Roland Perry

On 10 Aug, 07:59, Roland Perry wrote:
In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010,
Colin McKenzie remarked:





22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly

Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to
be * going ahead.

The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically
it's *still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London
Underground *were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped
if housing is *built instead of offices.

A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that
passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a
zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at
Park *Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and
number of *interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most
strained. And *they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of
lateral thinking seems *to be beyond London Underground.

It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly"
would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading
the Central.
--
Roland Perry- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line
from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the
station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. This would be useful for
people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload
the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting,
Balham and Clapham. Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were
ever permanently split in two?

On Aug 10, 8:09*am, Paul wrote:
[snip]
One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line
from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the
station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. *This would be useful for
people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload
the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting,
Balham and Clapham. *Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were
ever permanently split in two?

The City branch of the Northern line is already crammed solid during
rush hour - even if the line is eventually split, and super-dooper new
ATO signalling means services can run more frequently, it still
wouldn't create the kind of capacity that could cope with untold extra
passengers joining the line at a new station south of Morden.

I think conversion to tram operation (as part of Tramlink) would be
the most promising course of action for the Wimbledon-Sutton 'wall of
death' line, though quite how that'd be handled at the Wimbledon end
is another question. Well, for that matter, how it'd be handled at the
Sutton end is also a very valid question!

Paul wrote:
On 10 Aug, 07:59, Roland Perry wrote:
In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on Fri, 6 Aug 2010,
Colin McKenzie remarked:





22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly
Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to
be going ahead.
The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically
it's still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London
Underground were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped
if housing is built instead of offices.
A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that
passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a
zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at
Park Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and
number of interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most
strained. And they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of
lateral thinking seems to be beyond London Underground.
It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly"
would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading
the Central.
--
Roland Perry- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One (relatively cheap) proposal would be to extend the Northern Line
from Morden to Morden South and provide an interchange with the
station on the Wimbledon - Sutton loop. This would be useful for
people living in the Sutton area. On the other hand, it might overload
the Northern Line, which wouldn't go down well with people in Tooting,
Balham and Clapham. Would this be feasible if the Northern Line were
ever permanently split in two?

Is there not a mosque in the way?

--
Tony Dragon

On Aug 10, 7:59*am, Roland Perry wrote:

In message op.vg09em1lby8eno@sheepdog, at 21:19:24 on
Fri, 6 Aug 2010, Colin McKenzie remarked:

22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly

Anyone know what happened to this one? A few years ago it seemed to
be going ahead.

The office development that was to fund it has stalled. Theoretically
it's *still a requirement if all the offices get built, but London
Underground *were never keen, and the condition is likely to be dropped
if housing is *built instead of offices.

A pity, and I still hope it goes ahead. It's easy to work out that
passengers from further out on Piccadilly or Central lines, going to a
zone 1 or 2 destination on the other line, benefit from changing at
Park *Royal. So does LU, as it reduces number of stations passed and
number of *interchanges made in zone 1, where tube capacity is most
strained. And *they're more likely to get a seat. But this sort of
lateral thinking seems *to be beyond London Underground.

It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly"
would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading
the Central.

Yeah, I had similar thoughts. Still, it would serve to make the
Rayners Lane branch of the Piccadilly more useful.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote:
It's also possible that people living "further out on the Piccadilly"
would use it as a short cut to/from the West End, thereby overloading
the Central.

Yeah, I had similar thoughts. Still, it would serve to make the
Rayners Lane branch of the Piccadilly more useful.

The central seems to cope with an interchange with the district at stratford
where I'm sure a load of people change onto the central to continue to
the city and west end so I can't see a lightly used branch like rayners lane
unduly affecting the central much in the other direction.

B2003

In article ,
(mistral) wrote:

34. East Putney: District, SWT

Huh? East Putney Station looked real enough to me yesterday morning. If
you mean the proposed interchange with Putney (SWT) then you are firmly in
the realms of fantasy as discussed here in the past, mainly for lack of
demand.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Aug 6, 12:28*pm, mistral
wrote:
Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or
extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail
infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are
more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible
interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in
NW London and finishing in the SE.

==============
Fantasy Stations
==============

1. Draycott Avenue (Northwick Park): Bakerloo, Chiltern (Aylesbury
line), Metropolitan
2. Peel Centre (Hendon): Northern, MML
3. Harringay Green Lanes: ECML, Goblin, Piccadilly (via travelator) to a
new station. *
4. Durnford Street (South Tottenham): GEL (Enfield Town line), Goblin,
Victoria via travelator to Seven Sisters
5. Jarrow Road (Tottenham Hale): GEL (Lea Valley Line), Goblin
6. Walthamstow Queens Road: GEL (Chingford line), Goblin, Victoria
7. Blenheim Crescent (Ruislip): Central, Chiltern (High Wycombe line),
Metropolitan
8. Wood End (South Harrow): Chiltern (High Wycombe line), Piccadilly
9. Wembley St. Johns: Bakerloo, Chiltern (High Wycombe line), WCML
10. East Neasden: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, KC
11. West Hampstead: Chiltern, Jubilee, Metropolitan, MML, NLL
12. South Hampstead: Jubilee, Metropolitan, WCML
13. Belsize Park: MML, Northern
14. Chalk Farm: Northern, WCML
15. Rosslyn Hill: NLL, Northern
16. York Way (Camden): ECML, NLL
17. Cedar Way (Camden): MML, NLL
18. Tufnell Park: Goblin, Northern
19. Hackney Central: GEL (Lea Valley Line), NLL
20. Leytonstone High Road: Central, Goblin
21. Balmoral Road (Manor Park): GEL, Goblin
22. Park Royal: Central, Piccadilly
23. East Ealing: Central, District, GW
24. Harlesden: Bakerloo, KC, WCML
25. Old Oak Common (Acton): Central, GW, KC, NLL
26. Mitre Bridge (Willesden): GW, WLL
27. Silver Road (Shepherds Bush): HC, WLL
28. St Pauls (Central/Thameslink)
29. Shoreditch High Street (ELL/Central/Gt Eastern)
30. Rainhill Way (Bow): District, DLR
31. Ivy Crescent (Acton Green): District, KC, NLL
32. Thames Road (Chiswick): NLL, SWT (Hounslow Loop line)
33. Southwark: Jubilee, SER, Thameslink
34. East Putney: District, SWT
35. Loughborough Junction: ELL (Clapham Junction line), SET, Thameslink

36. Croxted Road (Dulwich): SR (Peckham - Tulse Hill line), SET (Herne
Hill - Penge line)
37. Brockley: ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Lewisham -
Peckham line)
38. Howson Road (Brockley): ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET
(Catford - Peckham line)
39. Tooting Graveney: Northern, SR (Streatham - Wimbledon line)
40. Streatham Junction: SR (Clapham Junction - Croydon line), SR
(Streatham - Sutton/Wimbledon line)
41. Leigham (Tulse Hill): SR (Clapham Junction - Crystal Palace line),
SR (Tulse Hill - Streatham line)
42. Penge: ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET (Dulwich - Beckenham
Junction line)
43. The Vineries (Catford): SET (Lewisham - Elmers End line), SET
(Catford - Peckham line)
44. Selby Road (Anerley): ELL (New Cross Gate - Croydon line), SET
(Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction line)
45. Meadow Way (Beckenham): CT, SET (Crystal Palace - Beckenham Junction
line), SET (Lewisham - Elmers End line)
46. Bickley Junction: SET (Bromley South - Swanley line), SET (New Cross
- Orpington line)

There are bound to be some errors, but hopefully you get the general
idea. Is there any chance of any of these ideas coming to fruition in
the near future, or like Wood Lane, will it take the best part of 25
years to go from initial idea to actual completion?

==========
Abbreviations
==========

CT = Croydon Tramlink
DLR = Docklands Light Railway
ECML = East Coast Main Line (ex Kings Cross)
ELL = East London Line
GEL = Great Eastern Line (ex Liverpool Street)
Goblin = Gospel Oak to Barking line
GW = Great Western (ex Paddington)
HC = Hammersmith and City Line
KC = Kew to Cricklewood line
MML = Midland Main Line (ex St. Pancras)
NLL = North London Line from Richmond to Stratford
SET = South Eastern Trains
SR = Southern Railway
SWT = South West Trains
WCML = West Coast Main Line (ex Euston)
WLL = West London Line from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction

Beyond that, there are similar places in the SE such as Farnborough,
Edenbridge and Maidstone where a station to link passing railway lines
might come in handy.

--
mistral

My suggestion to add to that list would be a large junction station
(Surrey Canal Junction?) in the triangle between the SE and Southern
lines adjacent to the new LO depot (on the site of the waste disposal
facility and maybe the light industrial units to the south east of
it). This would replace the proposed Surrey Canal Road station with
one with platforms on the LO lines, all 4 Southern Lines, and all 6 or
so SE lines. and perhaps even some Crossrail-dimensioned platform
tunnels underneath for a future N-S line. The intended analogy being
with Clapham Junction, Stratford, and Willesden Junction. You might
even get some money out of Millwall to help pay for it. The primary
benefits would be reducing pressure on London Bridge by offering inter-
mainline interchange opportunities before it, and by providing zone 2
interchange with the southern mainlines and LO.

On Aug 6, 12:28*pm, mistral
wrote:
Does anyone know if there any plans to build any new stations and/or
extra platforms to link up some of the existing bits of rail
infrastructure in the London area? Some of the proposals/ideas below are
more ambitious than others, but here's a list of some possible
interchanges. Broadly, they're listed in A to Z page order, starting in
NW London and finishing in the SE.

==============
Fantasy Stations
==============


6. Walthamstow Queens Road: GEL (Chingford line), Goblin, Victoria

Not a station per se but Waltham Forest Council are apparently taking
legal action to force the developers of the housing at the west end of
the car park at Walthamstow Central to provide the footpath that was a
condition of planning consent. There is also a more expensive option
of creating a new entrance to the GOBLIN station on Selbourne Road
which would make the station much more accessible to the High Street
area. You don't need a new station here - you just a safe, accessible
and convenient link which we should have had 10 years ago!

18. Tufnell Park: Goblin, Northern

Long demanded by the user group for GOBLIN but there are no firm plans
for an Overground Station. There wouldn't be an integrated station
from what I understand - just station very close by giving convenient
interchange.

19. Hackney Central: GEL (Lea Valley Line), NLL

Network Rail were supposed to have this in their plans years ago. It
then disappeared from view. However there is increased pressure to
provide the interchange - possibly linked to the Access for All
proposals for Hackney Central. This would be a huge improvement if it
were to be provided.

25. Old Oak Common (Acton): Central, GW, KC, NLL

Depends entirely on Crossrail and High Speed developments. The local
authority is lobbying hard but given all the doubts about Crossrail
and High Speed development who knows what will happen.

29. Shoreditch High Street (ELL/Central/Gt Eastern)

That'll never happen. Way too expensive and stopping services on very
busy lines will create significant passenger disbenefits.

--
Paul C