On Dec 11, 11:50*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
03:23:34 on Sat, 11 Dec 2010, MIG
remarked:

As I recall, from the Western End of the Victoria Line, there are
signs on the wall pointing east saying Pentonville Road, but the only
signposted way out you then come to just takes you west again, having
gone east for no reason.

You have to determinedly go further east and take an unmarked
staircase in order to reach Pentonville Road. *This ain't clever.

I don't follow that explanation. There are signs on the platform
directing people east for "Kings Cross", and very possibly Pentonville
Rd as well.

Having got to the exit point form the platforms there's one set of
stairs (and a small lift) up to the cross-passage, where it's west to
the National Rail stations and east to Pentonville Rd. But there aren't
any additional stairs to Pentonville Rd at that point.
--
Roland Perry

As I remember there are signs ON the platform for Pentonville Road,
towards the eastern end, but there are no signs OFF the platform for
Pentonville Road, so you take the first way out and it's wrong.

I will have to go back there to check exactly what there is.

I know that I have, in the past, ended up, knackered, at the northern
ticket hall, having tried to go east from the Victoria Line.

In message
, at
03:59:07 on Sat, 11 Dec 2010, MIG
remarked:

Having got to the exit point form the platforms there's one set of
stairs (and a small lift) up to the cross-passage, where it's west to
the National Rail stations and east to Pentonville Rd. But there aren't
any additional stairs to Pentonville Rd at that point.

As I remember there are signs ON the platform for Pentonville Road,
towards the eastern end, but there are no signs OFF the platform for
Pentonville Road, so you take the first way out and it's wrong.

I will have to go back there to check exactly what there is.

There's only one way out at the east end of the platform. It goes up to
the cross-passage. Whether it's signed there for Pentonville Rd or not,
it's the opposite direction to any signage for KX/STP/Piccadilly/
Northern lines.

What I have found that's annoying is the Pentonville Rd exit has
restricted opening hours, and if you walk along the cross-passage it's
not until you get quite some way down that there's a closed gate.
--
Roland Perry

While we're on the subject of Kings Cross St Pancras again:

Going down the Piccadilly line escalators from the Tube Ticket Hall,
access to the Northern line is to the right and down a further set of
escalators.

ISTR that prior to the refurbishment of the station there were *two*
signposted routes from the bottom of the Piccadilly escaltors to the
Northern line -- what was the other one? Was it through the gate a
little further along on the left that is now closed? And where did it
end up?

-roy

On Dec 11, 1:47*pm, (Roy Badami) wrote:
While we're on the subject of Kings Cross St Pancras again:

Going down the Piccadilly line escalators from the Tube Ticket Hall,
access to the Northern line is to the right and down a further set of
escalators.

ISTR that prior to the refurbishment of the station there were *two*
signposted routes from the bottom of the Piccadilly escaltors to the
Northern line -- what was the other one? *Was it through the gate a
little further along on the left that is now closed? *And where did it
end up?

* * -roy

There was a time when the short escalators were closed, and there was
signposting to a passageway slightly further forward towards the
Piccadilly and on the left, going down stairs.

This is presumably open most of the time, but everyone would take the
escalator.

On Dec 11, 11:10*am, Eric wrote:

On 2010-12-11, Mizter T wrote:

On Dec 10, 11:35 pm, wrote:

A classic case of signs being there to confuse the confusable.

A classic case of attempting to distribute the huge crowds that use
the station across the whole station complex and trying to prevent
pinch points from becoming unmanageably overcrowded - reprehensible I
agree...

Actually, it is reprehensible. It makes people with walking difficulties
take unnecessarily (or even impossibly) long walks instead of being able
to take the shortest route.

Yes, overcrowding and then closure of the station is a far better
alternative.

('Impossibly long walks' - hmm, taking the Tube involves some walking,
it just does - I *fully* appreciate that many people do have varying
degrees of difficulty in walking, but for those who might genuinely
find the distances involved 'impossible' then I'd think that perhaps
another way of travel would be preferable. I *fully* expect to be shot
down for saying this though, for any number of reasons.)

On Dec 11, 11:32*am, wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:

On Dec 10, 11:35 pm, wrote:

A classic case of signs being there to confuse the confusable.

A classic case of attempting to distribute the huge crowds that use
the station across the whole station complex and trying to prevent
pinch points from becoming unmanageably overcrowded - reprehensible I
agree...

I don't think we are disagreeing...

By the sounds of it, no, it would seem we're not - I was just
recalling a somewhat ridiculous recent utl thread in which another
poster was absurdly gloating (to whom it wasn't clear) that he was an
ever so superior human being because he knew various short cuts whilst
all the unknowing folk followed the signs - to which the response of
99% of said folk would likely be something along the lines of 'acquire
a life'...

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, Mizter T wrote:

On Dec 10, 11:35*pm, wrote:

(MaxB) wrote:

Thanks, that is of some help, but I am still not sure why, when I got
off the Vic line last time I ended up at the "wrong " end of St
Pancras. I will be trying again tomorrow!

A classic case of signs being there to confuse the confusable.

A classic case of attempting to distribute the huge crowds that use the
station across the whole station complex and trying to prevent pinch
points from becoming unmanageably overcrowded - reprehensible I agree...

You and the KX signage are like Paul and the Oxford Street buses!

In the peaks, this sort of traffic distribution is probably a good idea,
and if the signage accomplishes that - and i have yet to be convinced that
it does - then at those times, it's helpful. But outside the peaks, it is
simply harmful and nothing more. Given that the peaks are a small fraction
of the day, on the whole, it is quite clearly a mistake.

tom

--
What were the skies like when you were young?

On Dec 11, 6:12*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:44:04 +0000, Tom Anderson
wrote:

[of Mizter T]

You and the KX signage are like Paul and the Oxford Street buses!

What? - oh you mean correct and entirely rational. That's OK then.
--
Paul C

Kind of opposite, I would have thought. The long walk away from Kings
Cross seems more analogous to the buses feeding some kind of back
route away from the shops.

Insisting on the direct route at Kings Cross is more analogous to
insisting on buses going down Oxford Street.

If the direct route at Kings Cross was generally as slow and hopeless
as getting a bus along Oxford Street, I'd be more in favour of the
long route.

On 2010-12-11, Mizter T wrote:

On Dec 11, 11:10*am, Eric wrote:

On 2010-12-11, Mizter T wrote:

On Dec 10, 11:35 pm, wrote:

A classic case of signs being there to confuse the confusable.

A classic case of attempting to distribute the huge crowds that use
the station across the whole station complex and trying to prevent
pinch points from becoming unmanageably overcrowded - reprehensible I
agree...

Actually, it is reprehensible. It makes people with walking difficulties
take unnecessarily (or even impossibly) long walks instead of being able
to take the shortest route.

Yes, overcrowding and then closure of the station is a far better
alternative.

('Impossibly long walks' - hmm, taking the Tube involves some walking,
it just does - I *fully* appreciate that many people do have varying
degrees of difficulty in walking, but for those who might genuinely
find the distances involved 'impossible' then I'd think that perhaps
another way of travel would be preferable. I *fully* expect to be shot
down for saying this though, for any number of reasons.)

another way of travel - "no, we don't have to make any provision on the
buses for wheelchairs, they can just travel another way, or stay home."

People used to say that, and what you are saying is no different.

The currently recommended routes have made Kings Cross impossible for people for
whom it was previously possible. For some such people, it would be OK if
there were some seats along the way, but we can't have that either.

Eric

In message , at 00:23:24 on Sun, 12
Dec 2010, Eric remarked:
The currently recommended routes have made Kings Cross impossible for people for
whom it was previously possible. For some such people, it would be OK if
there were some seats along the way, but we can't have that either.

They've made all the platforms wheel-chair accessible, but in the
process have lengthened the walks. They continue to claim that the
design results in reduced journey times.
--
Roland Perry