"Graham Harrison" wrote

Reading is closed. What you saw was a divert from the west country.
Normal route to Westbury then reverse and down to Salisbury, Basingstoke,
Addlestone, Brentford to get in to the "correct" side of Waterloo. Going
back they use Richmond instead of Barnes. From Bristol/Swansea they
route to Oxford, Banbury (reverse) then down through High Wycombe to
Paddington

also bridge works where the Brighton Main Line crosses the South Western
Main Line means that capacity on the SWML has been limited, and the FGW
diversions have to come in on the Windsor Lines.

Peter

On 29/12/2010 10:40, wrote:
Barnes sounds a bit odd though - how would it have got to/from the
Exeter line from there?

Turn left at Virginia Water and join the main line through Woking at the
Byfleet Curve. Turn right at Wilton Junction (just beyond Salisbury)
for FGW metals again. Straight on at Westbury for Bristol / S Wales or
reverse at Westbury for Taunton and beyond.

This route (Clapham Junction to Woking via Staines) is commonly used by
SWT main line services as well when there is work at Surbiton or
Wimbledon. There is also a regular stopping service on it, though
except Sundays this goes into the bay at Weybridge.

When there is work between Tisbury and Yeovil Junction, SWT do the "via
Westbury" bit as well (except they rejoin their own route via Castle
Cary and Yeovil Pen Mill) and ECS moves are run this way every weekday
to retain route knowledge.

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d wrote on 29 December 2010 10:53:25 ...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 02:38:00 -0800 (PST)
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On Dec 29, 10:31=A0am, (A.Lee) wrote:
wrote:
On bank holiday monday I saw a full length HST trundle through Barnes s=
tation
going north. What would it have been doing on Southern region?

Presumably a diversion into Waterloo as East of Reading on the GWML has
been closed because of brdige works.
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Sounds like a consensus - but if it was actually going north it was
forging a whole new route. Westish seems more likely.
Tim

Strictly speaking Barnes bridge is going north west , but I can't
figure out what sort of convoluted route would take it through the leafy
lines around Barnes to go north of the river presumably at some point to head
south of the river again. Gauging issues perhaps with the Mk3's?

More likely to be availability of spare paths. The direct route between
Barnes and Twickenham is only twin-track and carries a mixture of
stopping and semi-fast trains, and also has two level crossings. Hence
the slow-accelerating HST is more easily fitted in on the Hounslow Loop
where there are spare paths. Steam excursions are often routed that way.
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In article ,
(Graham Harrison) wrote:

....Normal route to Westbury then reverse and down to
Salisbury, Basingstoke, Addlestone, Brentford to get in to the
"correct" side of Waterloo. Going back they use Richmond instead
of Barnes. From Bristol/Swansea they route to Oxford, Banbury
(reverse) then down through High Wycombe to Paddington

Richmond as well as Barnes, surely?

I think he possibly meant Barnes Bridge, but AIUI they go either way in both
directions, I believe it depends on how close they are to their planned
paths, but they are diagrammed both ways at various times anyway.

The trains I took on Monday went up via Richmond and down via Brentford and
Hounslow.

Paul S

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 02:38:00 -0800 (PST)

Strictly speaking Barnes bridge is going north west , but I can't
figure out what sort of convoluted route would take it through the leafy
lines around Barnes to go north of the river presumably at some point to
head
south of the river again. Gauging issues perhaps with the Mk3's?

HSTs (rather than Mk3 coaches) are only cleared into platforms 17, 18 and
19. As this is a subset of the platforms allowing Mk3 coaches, the
suspicion is that it's the power cars themselves that are the critical issue
for gauging.

Once you've decided those platforms are to be used, an approach via the
Windsor lines is apparently less disruptive to other mainline services, and
there has also been limited track capacity via Surbiton these last couple of
days due to engineering work. Lastly, the HSTs are not yet cleared on the
SW main line east of Byfleet Junction.

Paul S

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In article ,
(Graham Harrison) wrote:

....Normal route to Westbury then reverse and down to
Salisbury, Basingstoke, Addlestone, Brentford to get in to the
"correct" side of Waterloo. Going back they use Richmond instead
of Barnes. From Bristol/Swansea they route to Oxford, Banbury
(reverse) then down through High Wycombe to Paddington

Richmond as well as Barnes, surely?

I think he possibly meant Barnes Bridge, but AIUI they go either way in
both directions, I believe it depends on how close they are to their
planned paths, but they are diagrammed both ways at various times anyway.

The trains I took on Monday went up via Richmond and down via Brentford
and Hounslow.

Paul S

Actually I meant Brentford but you got the idea!

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:08:55 -0000, Graham Harrison
wrote:
Reading is closed. What you saw was a divert from the west country.
... From Bristol/Swansea they route to Oxford, Banbury (reverse)then
down through High Wycombe to Paddington.

Are you sure about this last bit? I was hoping they'd use the single line
alongside the Central Line through Park Royal, but I was told they were
going to/from Marylebone. Another option would be the Greenford branch,
especially as all trains on that line have been cancelled for the week.

Colin McKenzie


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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:08:55 -0000, Graham Harrison
wrote:
Reading is closed. What you saw was a divert from the west country.
... From Bristol/Swansea they route to Oxford, Banbury (reverse)then
down through High Wycombe to Paddington.

Are you sure about this last bit? I was hoping they'd use the single line
alongside the Central Line through Park Royal, but I was told they were
going to/from Marylebone. Another option would be the Greenford branch,
especially as all trains on that line have been cancelled for the week.

Colin McKenzie



The Bristol/Swanseas are going to Paddington (it's in the Nat Rail Journey
Planner) . Some use the single, others the Greenford loop.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Graham Harrison wrote:

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On bank holiday monday I saw a full length HST trundle through Barnes
station going north. What would it have been doing on Southern region?

Reading is closed. What you saw was a divert from the west country.
Normal route to Westbury then reverse and down to Salisbury,
Basingstoke, Addlestone, Brentford to get in to the "correct" side of
Waterloo. Going back they use Richmond instead of Barnes. From
Bristol/Swansea they route to Oxford, Banbury (reverse) then down
through High Wycombe to Paddington

I can confirm that - i did it this evening. In case it's not obvious (it
wasn't to me until we did it!) the High Wycombe to Paddington bit is via
the New North Main Line (ie past Northolt) and the Greenford Loop. About
two and a half hours from Swindon to London; might have been quite scenic
during daylight hours.

While we're vaguely on the subject, has there ever been a plan to connect
Bicester Town station to the Chiltern main line? It'd make for a much more
convenient diversionary route than Banbury.

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
th.li...

While we're vaguely on the subject, has there ever been a plan to connect
Bicester Town station to the Chiltern main line? It'd make for a much more
convenient diversionary route than Banbury.

Er... yes, it's the main part of Chiltern's Evergreen 3 project, they are
currently upgrading the route from Marylebone to Aynho Junction, but the
main part, connecting to Oxford, is yet to start.

It is going through TWA Order procedures; right now it is at the public
inquiry stage. There's a pretty detailed web site for the project he

http://www.chiltern-evergreen3.co.uk...oject-overview

Paul S