Does anyone know when this is scheduled to open?

The Tfl website says "early 2011" which could mean anything between
now and Easter. I thought it was originally meant to open last year,
so presumably there are some delaying factors. If so, what is causing
the delays?

On Jan 17, 8:46*am, Paul wrote:
Does anyone know when this is scheduled to open?

The Tfl website says "early 2011" which could mean anything between
now and Easter. *I thought it was originally meant to open last year,
so presumably there are some delaying factors. *If so, what is causing
the delays?

Beginning of the April was the last date I heard.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 01:33:42 -0800 (PST)
Garius wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:46=A0am, Paul wrote:
Does anyone know when this is scheduled to open?

The Tfl website says "early 2011" which could mean anything between
now and Easter. =A0I thought it was originally meant to open last year,
so presumably there are some delaying factors. =A0If so, what is causing
the delays?

Beginning of the April was the last date I heard.

I'm still wondering how the DLR running this service is an advantage over
the old NLL service. Seems to me all its done is spent a huge amount of money
and given people a long walk if they wish to continue beyond stratford on
the NLL. Its not as if getting to Stratford from the east part of the DLR was
hard before.

B2003

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 01:33:42 -0800 (PST)
Garius wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:46=A0am, Paul wrote:
Does anyone know when this is scheduled to open?

The Tfl website says "early 2011" which could mean anything between
now and Easter. =A0I thought it was originally meant to open last
year, so presumably there are some delaying factors. =A0If so, what
is causing the delays?

Beginning of the April was the last date I heard.

I'm still wondering how the DLR running this service is an advantage
over the old NLL service. Seems to me all its done is spent a huge
amount of money and given people a long walk if they wish to continue
beyond stratford on the NLL. Its not as if getting to Stratford from
the east part of the DLR was hard before.

- Much more frequent services (rather than only every 30 minutes at
best)
- Several additional stops, so more people will be within easy walking
distance of a stop
- A more flexible network, with two branches both south and north of
Canning Town
- A direct link to Stratford International

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:46:59 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
- Much more frequent services (rather than only every 30 minutes at

The jubilee line already does that anyway from Canning Town. When you add
that to the NLL services there was already a more than adequate service on
that route.

- Several additional stops, so more people will be within easy walking

Thats what buses are for and the distances are pretty small anyway.

- A more flexible network, with two branches both south and north of
Canning Town

Also a more complex network.

- A direct link to Stratford International

Which is used by precisely nobody.

B2003

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:46:59 -0000
"Recliner" wrote:
- Much more frequent services (rather than only every 30 minutes at

The jubilee line already does that anyway from Canning Town. When you
add that to the NLL services there was already a more than adequate
service on that route.

As you well know, the purpose was to grow a network, not just provide an
increased frequency between Canning Town and Stratford stations.


- Several additional stops, so more people will be within easy
walking

Thats what buses are for and the distances are pretty small anyway.

Perhaps your nearest Tube station should shut for the same reason? It
would certainly stop you complaining so much about the Tube.


- A more flexible network, with two branches both south and north of
Canning Town

Also a more complex network.

You're obviously in an even worse temper than usual today. Perhaps you'd
prefer that they'd just shut down the line instead of improving it?
Compare it to the huge rise in ridership of the Croydon trams, compared
to the infrequent services they replaced (eg, to Wimbledon), which was a
similar sort of project.


- A direct link to Stratford International

Which is used by precisely nobody.

And you'd obviously prefer that it stayed that way.

In article , wrote:
- A direct link to Stratford International

Which is used by precisely nobody.

I used Stratford International on Sunday, to get me to Canning Town
(High Speed 1 + Jubilee line) due to the DLR closures over the weekend.

If the DLR went to Stratford International then... erm... it would
probably have been closed for engineering work, too, so I wouldn't
have been able to use it anyway.

-roy

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:47:00 +0000, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:23:39 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:
Also a more complex network.

I have to say "so what?".

Isn't a complex network bad for reliability and capacity? I thought
the desire to rebuild Camden Town and split the Northern line into two
separate services was driven from the view that simple was good.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:47:00 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
I expect the new stations will attract decent levels of patronage as has
been the case for all DLR stops - even Langdon Park which was supposed
to have no business case at all and yet seems busy enough when I've been
through it.

I'm sure there will be some extra passengers , but will it be worth the
money spent? Hmm...

Also a more complex network.

I have to say "so what?". The ability to get a direct train from

More things to go wrong and screw the whole thing up.

While I would agree that it has an element of "growing like topsy" about
it I doubt you'd ever had got a heavy rail network built to the same
extent as DLR has achieved. The development of Canary Wharf has
undoubtedly skewed things with JLE and now Crossrail to also serve the
area. However I doubt a heavy rail DLR link would have prevented
subsequent demands for other links.

Lets not forget that the JLE was built precisely because the DLR wasn't up
to the job of shipping large amounts of people from central london to
docklands. Apart from an extra carraige since then I can't see much has
changed.

Which is used by precisely nobody.

At present there aren't huge volumes but I see people trogging their way

At present there are no volumes - there are no services booked to stop
there!

from East London / Essex. The interchange potential at Stratford is huge

But interchange to what? A load of railway lines coming together doesn't
mean it'll become some major international hub. If people seriously believe
a stadium and a few new blocks of flats means stratford will somehow compete
with LStP for international traffic they're dreaming.

B2003

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:29:36 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:


I'm still wondering how the DLR running this service is an advantage
over the old NLL service. Seems to me all its done is spent a huge
amount of money and given people a long walk if they wish to continue
beyond stratford on the NLL. Its not as if getting to Stratford from the
east part of the DLR was hard before.


AIUI the _real_ reason for handing the line over to the DLR is that the
NLL's tunnels were needed for Crossrail, so the service had to be cut
anyway.

True, they could've terminated the NLL at West Ham or Canning Town
instead, but the new Overground was an unknown quantity, and the old
Silverlink NLL wasn't very known or well loved. At the time,bringing in
the DLR was thought to be the least worst option, especially since it
meant they could put it in with the Stratford International shuttle, and
kill two birds with one stone.