"Mizter T" wrote

Works for London - though unless everything is running on time right to
the very minute, it's only got the timetable data as opposed to feeding
off any (iBus) live running info (as we've discussed elsewhere
that's hopefully to come at some point in the not too distant future).

I'm struggling to understand the 'unless' clause there. If everything isn't
running on time, are you implying that something different happens?

In message , at 23:06:39 on
Wed, 9 Feb 2011, John Salmon remarked:
Works for London - though unless everything is running on time right
to the very minute, it's only got the timetable data as opposed to
feeding off any (iBus) live running info (as we've discussed elsewhere
that's hopefully to come at some point in the not too distant future).

I'm struggling to understand the 'unless' clause there. If everything
isn't running on time, are you implying that something different
happens?

He presume he means the data's useless unless everything's on time,
because it's not getting live running info yet.
--
Roland Perry

On 7 Feb, 18:58, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 22:57:32 +0000, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:39:14 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:
ultimate destination. It's rather more involved if the main route
blind
or rear / side blinds have to be done.

Which is I guess why in London rear blinds are just a number, and
side blinds show the number and a via point somewhere in the middle
of the route. *No need to change them all day then!

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

I believe TfL have specified automatic blinds for vehicles but there
only seems to be one supplier who can (currently) meet the spec or
so I
read!

I don't see why they don't go for LED. *The newest types with a high
resolution and fast refresh rate are *very* readable.

I don't really like the fascination with LEDs. I see too many buses with
them conked out and not working at all. *There are plenty of scruffy
blinds in London too and backlighting is sometimes not paid enough
attention if tubes / bulbs fail. These are relatively minor though and
are readily fixable. *I still think London and Lothian's blinds are
clear industry winners rather than LEDs. *Call me boring and
conventional!
--
Paul C

I won't call you boring or conventional Paul but I am staggered at
your apparent dislike of LED displays, they are far far clearer at
night than torn dirty blinds and often unlit blind boxes, the driver
can set front side and rear blinds at the touch of a button, and
operationally they are far cheaper. Some operators are even retro
fitting LEDs to older buses.

Haven't Lothian started experimenting with LEDs? How much longer TfL
can keep their head buried in the sand remains to be seen, trains,
coaches and sightseeing buses in London all have them.

On 7 Feb, 18:55, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 02:06:44 -0800 (PST), George

wrote:
On 4 Feb, 20:07, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:56:50 -0800 (PST), George

Glad you're not denying that hybrid buses can be reliable. It is self
evidently the case that they are.

How do you know that the "average passenger" does not have an interest
in whether their bus is spewing out noxious fumes or not?

*You* might think they're no good or a waste of money but that doesn't
translate into everyone being disinterested.
Equally Hybrids can be unreliable, ie the 129 allocation.

Oh for god's sake George - there are far more reliable hybrids in
operation than on those on the 129. *Give it a bloody rest and make a
balanced assessment for once. *On balance your argument about the 129 is
*outweighed* by experience with the other vehicles.

Does the
average passenger know or care that the bus they are on is a hybrid?

I don't know but some of them may well care. London has dreadful air
quality in case you hadn't realised. HMG is at risk of a huge fine from
the EU due to air quality breaches. *Hybrids are just one part of a
range of policies trying to do something about the problem. *Air
quality, pollution and the health impacts are concerns for London
voters.

The reduction in polution is a spit in the ocean in the overall scheme
of things.

Really? *Facts and figures please.

Anyway another example of TfL's incompetence, there have apparently
been complaints about buses on the half hourly B14 running up to
15mins late or early, however what nobody had realised was that there
had been a timetable change and TfL had failed to tell its cutomers,
could you imagine any other business acting in this way? Metrobus to
their credit did advertise it on their website but they are not
allowed to put posters up on buses or at bus stops.

Posters and leaflets on board buses have not been published since LRT
days. It is interesting that there are complaints already - from whom by
the way? *Didn't the B14 timetable only change on Saturday?

Who says Metrobus cannot put up a poster on one of their own buses?

I will agree with you that something, somewhere has been missed.
Normally the service change page on the TfL website would say when a
timetable has been changed - the B14 is not on the list. A quick check
of the journey planner stop specific panels shows the old timetable
still being referenced rather than the new one - I downloaded it from Mr
Munster's site which I assume is correct.

I obviously can't know if the panels at the stops themselves have
changed. IME they are changed 1 or 2 days beforehand. That was certainly
true with changes to the 123 and more recently the 149 had posters and
all sorts of info advertising that change.

--
Paul C

I had a ride on one of the Hybrids on the 76 the other day and to be
fair it did give a nice smooth ride although whether the cost can be
justified is another matter.

Metrobus said that TfL have instructed operators not to put posters up
on their buses, goodness only knows why but then there is no logic to
a lot of what TfL say.

In message
, at
05:36:42 on Thu, 10 Feb 2011, George
remarked:
I won't call you boring or conventional Paul but I am staggered at
your apparent dislike of LED displays, they are far far clearer at
night than torn dirty blinds and often unlit blind boxes

There are some sorts of impaired vision (especially at night) which
result in a blurring of point-sources of light.
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:42:47 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
05:36:42 on Thu, 10 Feb 2011, George
remarked:
I won't call you boring or conventional Paul but I am staggered at
your apparent dislike of LED displays, they are far far clearer at
night than torn dirty blinds and often unlit blind boxes

There are some sorts of impaired vision (especially at night) which
result in a blurring of point-sources of light.

Everyone has that because the human eye accepts a range of wavelengths but
the lens can't focus all of them accurately at the same time. I can't remember
what wavelength it works best at but you'll find that either indigo/blue or
deep red point sources (I forget which) will appear slightly out of focus in
the dark.

B2003

In uk.transport.buses Roland Perry wrote:
He presume he means the data's useless unless everything's on time,
because it's not getting live running info yet.

It's using the Cambs live data just fine.

(He says by looking at it when buses are actually running)

Do any other areas provide live data? For example Edinburgh, which I think
has had live times since 2005 or so, isn't showing. Yet there's a live
times Android app for it.

Theo

In message , at 17:14:00 on Thu,
10 Feb 2011, Theo Markettos
remarked:
He presume he means the data's useless unless everything's on time,
because it's not getting live running info yet.

It's using the Cambs live data just fine.

Maybe it doesn't in London, where he lives?

(He says by looking at it when buses are actually running)

Do any other areas provide live data?

In Nottingham it's static data.

(My old house has 111 bus stops within 1Km - 13 pages!)
--
Roland Perry

John Salmon wrote

"Mizter T" wrote

Works for London - though unless everything is running on time
right to
the very minute, it's only got the timetable data as opposed to
feeding
off any (iBus) live running info (as we've discussed elsewhere
that's hopefully to come at some point in the not too distant
future).

Thanks for
http://www.nextbuses.mobi/

The nearest places to the UTL with live bus information on that site
are probably Woking, Guildford, Windsor, Reigate - try stop 19 at
Guildford bus station.

At 17:16

515 Kingston Cromwell Road Bus Station in 9 minutes
515 Kingston Cromwell Road Bus Station in 20 minutes

Since the hourly departure is at xx:25 something is being added !

If realtime information is only available for some services, others,
eg, Green Line, always show the timetable time, not the "in yy minutes"
this results in you getting more infomation than is shown on the stop
display which may omit such services.

--
Mike D

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
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John Salmon wrote

"Mizter T" wrote

Works for London - though unless everything is running on time
right to
the very minute, it's only got the timetable data as opposed to
feeding
off any (iBus) live running info (as we've discussed elsewhere
that's hopefully to come at some point in the not too distant
future).

Thanks for
http://www.nextbuses.mobi/

The nearest places to the UTL with live bus information on that site
are probably Woking, Guildford, Windsor, Reigate - try stop 19 at
Guildford bus station.

At 17:16

515 Kingston Cromwell Road Bus Station in 9 minutes
515 Kingston Cromwell Road Bus Station in 20 minutes

Since the hourly departure is at xx:25 something is being added !

If realtime information is only available for some services, others,
eg, Green Line, always show the timetable time, not the "in yy minutes"
this results in you getting more infomation than is shown on the stop
display which may omit such services.

--
Mike D







Here's what others have done

http://www.nextbus.com/predictor/pub...tml?a=MUNI&r=J

And just in case anyone wonders F, J, L, M, N and KT are all streetcars and
their OWL equivalents are night buses. And KT is a combination of the old
K line with the new T line.