In message , at 10:27:29 on Sun, 22 May
2011, Clive Page remarked:

That's the price of progress, of course: before they plonked the
shopping centre in St.Pancras you could easily change from Picc line to
Thameslink in under 3 minutes using the now abandoned station.

The change they made was moving the Thameslink station. It's as far
south as it could be now, given the curvature of the tunnels. The whole
thing's a mess, frankly. Perhaps the entrance to the new Thameslink
station could have been close by the Eurostar check-in, rather than
halfway to Camden.
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Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:27:29 on Sun, 22 May
2011, Clive Page remarked:

That's the price of progress, of course: before they plonked the shopping
centre in St.Pancras you could easily change from Picc line to Thameslink
in under 3 minutes using the now abandoned station.

The change they made was moving the Thameslink station. It's as far south
as it could be now, given the curvature of the tunnels. The whole thing's
a mess, frankly. Perhaps the entrance to the new Thameslink station could
have been close by the Eurostar check-in, rather than halfway to Camden.

Then you'd have 'end fed' 12 car platforms, with all the resultant
congestion - and ensuing failure to spread passengers along the whole train.
There seem to be valid reasons for the position of the main Thameslink
entrance.

Paul S

In message , at 11:52:00 on
Sun, 22 May 2011, Paul Scott remarked:

The change they made was moving the Thameslink station. It's as far
south as it could be now, given the curvature of the tunnels. The
whole thing's a mess, frankly. Perhaps the entrance to the new
Thameslink station could have been close by the Eurostar check-in,
rather than halfway to Camden.

Then you'd have 'end fed' 12 car platforms, with all the resultant
congestion - and ensuing failure to spread passengers along the whole
train. There seem to be valid reasons for the position of the main
Thameslink entrance.

But only for passengers arriving via the concourse. There could also
have been a communicating tunnel between the Northern Ticket Hall and
the Thameslink platforms, for tube passengers, to balance it out.
--
Roland Perry

On May 22, 12:22*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:52:00 on
Sun, 22 May 2011, Paul Scott remarked:

The change they made was moving the Thameslink station. It's as far
south *as it could be now, given the curvature of the tunnels. The
whole thing's*a mess, frankly. Perhaps the entrance to the new
Thameslink station could*have been close by the Eurostar check-in,
rather than halfway to Camden.

Then you'd have 'end fed' 12 car platforms, with all the resultant
congestion - and ensuing failure to spread passengers along the whole
train. There seem to be valid reasons for the position of the main
Thameslink entrance.

But only for passengers arriving via the concourse. There could also
have been a communicating tunnel between the Northern Ticket Hall and
the Thameslink platforms, for tube passengers, to balance it out.

Right through the sewer?

In message
m, at 06:05:42 on Sun, 22 May 2011, Mizter T remarked:
There could also have been a communicating tunnel between the Northern
Ticket Hall and the Thameslink platforms, for tube passengers, to balance
it out.

Right through the sewer?

Apparently it was already diverted (see bottom of page 1) and it's only a
foot tunnel needed.

http://www.bacsol.co.uk/images/uploa...5StPancras.pdf
--
Roland Perry

On May 22, 2:32*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
m, at 06:05:42 on Sun, 22 May 2011, Mizter T remarked:

There could also *have been a communicating tunnel between the Northern
Ticket Hall and *the Thameslink platforms, for tube passengers, to balance
it out.

Right through the sewer?

Apparently it was already diverted (see bottom of page 1) and it's only a
foot tunnel needed.

http://www.bacsol.co.uk/images/uploa...5StPancras.pdf

AIUI it was indeed diverted a bit, but it remains very much in the way
- the following plans of the KX station redevelopment (courtesy of
Paul Scott who dug them out from the LB Camden planning website) show
the Fleet Sewer - see the second and third pages (sub-basement and
basement) - n.b. large 7MB+ file:
http://sites.google.com/site/miztert/Home/KingsCrossdrawings.pdf

We kinda had this discussion a year ago - in a thread unintuitively
titled "Oyster PAYG":
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...ffc108d03a952/

I agree that a basement / sub-surface link between the northern ticket
hall and the Thameslink mezzanine (i.e. a continuation of the NTH-St
Pancras link tunnel underneath the east-west 'farmer' market'
concourse) does on the face of it make sense - however I think the
presence of this major sewer does rather torpedo that idea, as it's
right bang slap in the way.

On Sun, 22 May 2011, Mizter T wrote:

We kinda had this discussion a year ago - in a thread unintuitively
titled "Oyster PAYG":
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...ffc108d03a952/

Well, at least we're now having it in one titled, er, no hang on a minute ...

tom

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