On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:50:07 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:29:14 on Tue, 28 Jun
2011, d remarked:

And I used the new doubledecker 25 both ways today - much more
pleasant, a much better chance of getting a seat, a much more
realistic official capacity and far less of the crush crowding so
hated on the bendies.

How can a bus with less seats offer more chance of getting a seat?

Because you can almost always find one upstairs if you can be bothered
to look.

Eh? Are you suggesting most people hang around downstairs even if its
packed but there are free seats upstairs? Thats not my experience. I'll
tell you who does hang around downstairs however - people with prams, the
elderly and others who can't make it up those narrow stairs. And thats
assuming there's enough room for anyone with a pram or in a wheelchair to
get on in the first place. But hey, double deckers are a british tradition
and thats whats most important. Screw practicality or giving a **** about
the less able bodied.

B2003

In message , at 09:09:31 on Tue, 28 Jun
2011, d remarked:

How can a bus with less seats offer more chance of getting a seat?

Because you can almost always find one upstairs if you can be bothered
to look.

Eh? Are you suggesting most people hang around downstairs even if its
packed but there are free seats upstairs?

Yes, all the time. Especially if they aren't travelling very far.

Thats not my experience.

YMMV

I'll tell you who does hang around downstairs however - people with
prams, the elderly and others who can't make it up those narrow stairs.
And thats assuming there's enough room for anyone with a pram or in a
wheelchair to get on in the first place.

On the double deckers around here there's a special place reserved for
them.

But hey, double deckers are a british tradition and thats whats most
important. Screw practicality or giving a **** about the less able
bodied.

And of course priority seats for the less able bodied.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:30:33 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:09:31 on Tue, 28 Jun
2011, d remarked:

How can a bus with less seats offer more chance of getting a seat?

Because you can almost always find one upstairs if you can be bothered
to look.

Eh? Are you suggesting most people hang around downstairs even if its
packed but there are free seats upstairs?

Yes, all the time. Especially if they aren't travelling very far.

Well that can occasionally happen I suppose and it probably prevents more
people getting on unless the drivers shouts at them to go upstairs. Yet
another reason to get rid of these daft vehicles.

On the double deckers around here there's a special place reserved for
them.

Great, thats one taken care of. Now what happens if theres half a dozen
mums with prams?

But hey, double deckers are a british tradition and thats whats most
important. Screw practicality or giving a **** about the less able
bodied.

And of course priority seats for the less able bodied.

If they can reach them and if there are enough. No problem on a bendy with
lots of room and 3 doors to board from.

B2003

In message , at 09:41:34 on Tue, 28 Jun
2011, d remarked:

Eh? Are you suggesting most people hang around downstairs even if its
packed but there are free seats upstairs?

Yes, all the time. Especially if they aren't travelling very far.

Well that can occasionally happen I suppose and it probably prevents more
people getting on unless the drivers shouts at them to go upstairs.

I've never been on a completely full double decker here in Nottingham,
but plenty of full single deckers. And the drivers don't shout.

On the double deckers around here there's a special place reserved for
them.

Great, thats one taken care of. Now what happens if theres half a dozen
mums with prams?

Why is that easier on a single decker?

But hey, double deckers are a british tradition and thats whats most
important. Screw practicality or giving a **** about the less able
bodied.

And of course priority seats for the less able bodied.

If they can reach them and if there are enough.

They are right by the front, and again I've never seen them
oversubscribed.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:49:35 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
Well that can occasionally happen I suppose and it probably prevents more
people getting on unless the drivers shouts at them to go upstairs.

I've never been on a completely full double decker here in Nottingham,
but plenty of full single deckers. And the drivers don't shout.

With all due respect , nottingham isn't london. Completely full double deckers
are common in the rush hour here especially in the centre or places where
theres a large school nearby. And yes, single deckers will fill up quicker
because theres less room - hence you make them longer and articulated.

Great, thats one taken care of. Now what happens if theres half a dozen
mums with prams?

Why is that easier on a single decker?

I'm not talking about standard single deckers, I'm talking about bendy
buses. But even on normal ones there isn't the narrow restriction caused
by having a staircase.

B2003

In message , at 10:15:09 on Tue, 28 Jun
2011, d remarked:
Great, thats one taken care of. Now what happens if theres half a dozen
mums with prams?

Why is that easier on a single decker?

I'm not talking about standard single deckers, I'm talking about bendy
buses. But even on normal ones there isn't the narrow restriction caused
by having a staircase.

But you have the entire space opposite the stairs open, for the
wheelchairs, prams etc.
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:41:07 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:15:09 on Tue, 28 Jun
2011, d remarked:
Great, thats one taken care of. Now what happens if theres half a dozen
mums with prams?

Why is that easier on a single decker?

I'm not talking about standard single deckers, I'm talking about bendy
buses. But even on normal ones there isn't the narrow restriction caused
by having a staircase.

But you have the entire space opposite the stairs open, for the
wheelchairs, prams etc.

Depends on the bus. But however they package it the stairs take up a fair bit
of floor space.

B2003

wrote in message

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:50:07 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:

Eh? Are you suggesting most people hang around downstairs even if its
packed but there are free seats upstairs? Thats not my experience.
I'll tell you who does hang around downstairs however - people with
prams, the elderly and others who can't make it up those narrow
stairs. And thats assuming there's enough room for anyone with a pram
or in a wheelchair to get on in the first place. But hey, double
deckers are a british tradition and thats whats most important. Screw
practicality or giving a **** about the less able bodied.


'scuse me for interrupting this conversation, but I had to remark on
something I'd never expected to see: Boltar standing up (so to speak)
for the lesser-abled (or whatever the current pc term is) travellers.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:06:59 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
'scuse me for interrupting this conversation, but I had to remark on
something I'd never expected to see: Boltar standing up (so to speak)
for the lesser-abled (or whatever the current pc term is) travellers.

Spending hundreds of millions to allow wheelchairs on the tube is one thing.
Chucking away perfectly good buses that are already more accessable for
everyone than the replacements Doris is spending millions on is another
thing entirely.

B2003

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:29:14 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:
reason that very few countries use them - they're crap.

The fact that bridges are typically lower in cities in other EU
countries may be a bigger reason.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK