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On Aug 29, 4:06*pm, Dave Jackson wrote:
On 29/08/2011 12:21, Tim Fenton wrote: flannelled fool Neddie Seagoon, IIRC. He wanted to buy a penguin... Must dig out the mp3 player which holds my Goon collection - certainly be more entertaining than this thread. There is always something distasteful about off-topic threads that exist merely to criticize individuals. They have no place in uk.r, et al. Several months back Whitehead started one in order to belittle Alan Tracy. Doing so said much more about Whitehead than Mr. Tracy. MIG is showing immaturity in starting this thread. But, he is young yet. MIG is a Timmy Ton writ small. What, you may ask, is the problem with Timmy Ton? At personal level he questions my heritage. In my particular case said heritage is passed on thru the female line. To question it is to be offensive towards my mother. No man should stand by and allow his mother to be insulted. I responded in kind. Timmy did not stand up for his mother. Timmy also has no problem with military rockets being fired into primary schools and folk's homes. At least he takes a dim view of the appropriate response. That is the height of callousness. Children should always be protected. And few material possessions are more precious than one's home. They represent years of hard work. Apart from that he stands for all that is low, vulgar, indecent, and offensive. A good two thirds of this list could be applied to Timmy; http://tinyurl.com/445f8gf You will understand why I dislike the creature. Oh, and like you, I miss the Goons. Must stop by the BBC shop sometime. |
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On Aug 28, 8:39*am, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 28/08/11 04:35, Tom Nicholls wrote: For me, it's less about politics and more about civility. I don't think these nutcases even have much political importance. Sure, they make a lot of noise on the comments pages of the Telegraph, Mail, BBC (Speak You're Branes) and so on, but if they vote at all it will almost certainly be for the lunatic fringe: UKIP, BNP etc. My own infallible test for wackjobs is the use of "so-called": as soon as you see references to "so-called experts" or the "so-call Human Rights Act" you know that the author has significant problems with reality. Another infallible test, in my experience, is to see whether they believe in the literal truth of words written by bronze-age desert tribesmen over the findings of modern science aka religious fundamentalism. I've yet to meet anyone falling into that category who has anything to say that's worth listening to. Mr "Auer"-Hudson is the living embodiment of that principle. |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:29:43 -0700 (PDT)
BrianW wrote: Bloatar, who has made himself look a dick on every newsgroup he posts to. Why would it bother you what a pair of loons say about you? Haven't you got any pointless patent litigation to tie up the courts with you could be getting on with Mr Lefty Solicitor? B2003 |
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On Aug 29, 8:22*pm, "Railsigns.co.uk" wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:09*pm, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Tom wrote: limits. *There's a graph around the net of the Tory share of the vote since the war and it's clearly declining, which possible explains why Really? Hmm, thats odd: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/el...ml/england.stm Looks pretty blue to me in england. (sic) That's because the Tories tend to do well in the affluent countryside constituencies that cover the largest geographical areas. Even in the event of a Labour landslide, those maps would still look pretty blue. The countryside: That would be farms. Farmers are the folks who work long hours to put food on your table. They are common sense people. They vote Conservative because they have worked very hard for what they have. Do you have a problem with that? The Countryside is also home to countless small businesses. These people work hard and do not rely on government hand outs. They do pay ample taxes and collect VAT. The countryside of the home counties is home to myriad commuters who buy expensive tickets in order to commute to London and do real work. Without their effort and taxes London's welfare insanity would not exist. Nock the countryside if you wish. You are biting the hand that feeds you. |
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On Aug 30, 11:35*am, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:29:43 -0700 (PDT) BrianW wrote: Bloatar, who has made himself look a dick on every newsgroup he posts to. *Why would it bother you what a pair of loons say about you? Haven't you got any pointless patent litigation to tie up the courts with you could be getting on with Mr Lefty Solicitor? Yes, thanks. |
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On 30/08/11 11:37, 1506 wrote:
The countryside: That would be farms. Farmers are the folks who work long hours to put food on your table. And survive on handouts from Brussels. Ian |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
BrianW wrote: On Aug 30, 11:35=A0am, wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:29:43 -0700 (PDT) BrianW wrote: Bloatar, who has made himself look a dick on every newsgroup he posts to. =A0Why would it bother you what a pair of loons say about you? Haven't you got any pointless patent litigation to tie up the courts with you could be getting on with Mr Lefty Solicitor? Yes, thanks. Good, so eff off and get on with it. B2003 |
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On Aug 30, 11:37*am, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:22*pm, "Railsigns.co.uk" wrote: On Aug 29, 8:09*pm, wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Tom wrote: limits. *There's a graph around the net of the Tory share of the vote since the war and it's clearly declining, which possible explains why Really? Hmm, thats odd: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/el...ml/england.stm Looks pretty blue to me in england. (sic) That's because the Tories tend to do well in the affluent countryside constituencies that cover the largest geographical areas. Even in the event of a Labour landslide, those maps would still look pretty blue. The countryside: That would be farms. *Farmers are the folks who work long hours to put food on your table. *They are common sense people. They vote Conservative because they have worked very hard for what they have. *Do you have a problem with that? The Countryside is also home to countless small businesses. *These people work hard and do not rely on government hand outs. *They do pay ample taxes and collect VAT. The countryside of the home counties is home to myriad commuters who buy expensive tickets in order to commute to London and do real work. Without their effort and taxes London's welfare insanity would not exist. Nock the countryside if you wish. *You are biting the hand that feeds you. He's not knocking the countryside. He's just pointing out that rural areas have lower population densities, and are therefore larger (sometimes considerably larger) than urban constituencies. Therefore, the map can look blue, even though a majority of people can still be voting red (albeit not at the last election). |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:42:03 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote: On 30/08/11 11:37, 1506 wrote: The countryside: That would be farms. Farmers are the folks who work long hours to put food on your table. And survive on handouts from Brussels. Because supermarkets won't pay them the real value of what they produce. The farmers should call their bluff - then watch Tesco et al panic as they try and source basic commodities for the entire country from abroad. B2003 |
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On Aug 30, 11:45*am, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:39:13 -0700 (PDT) BrianW wrote: On Aug 30, 11:35=A0am, wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:29:43 -0700 (PDT) BrianW wrote: Bloatar, who has made himself look a dick on every newsgroup he posts to. =A0Why would it bother you what a pair of loons say about you? Haven't you got any pointless patent litigation to tie up the courts with you could be getting on with Mr Lefty Solicitor? Yes, thanks. Good, so eff off and get on with it. OK. Incidentally, I like the insinuation that commercial solicitors (as opposed, say, to human rights lawyers) are likely to be lefties. Met many? |
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On 30/08/11 11:49, BrianW wrote:
Incidentally, I like the insinuation that commercial solicitors (as opposed, say, to human rights lawyers) are likely to be lefties. Met many? It would appear that to our friend Boltar. almost /everybody/ is a lefty. This may be true. Ian |
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On Aug 30, 11:56*am, The Real Doctor
wrote: On 30/08/11 11:49, BrianW wrote: Incidentally, I like the insinuation that commercial solicitors (as opposed, say, to human rights lawyers) are likely to be lefties. *Met many? It would appear that to our friend Boltar. almost /everybody/ is a lefty. This may be true. Indeed. From my own experience, I wouldn't say that commercial lawyers are exactly the most left-wing bunch of people you'd ever meet. No doubt, though, Bloatar knows much better. |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT)
BrianW wrote: Incidentally, I like the insinuation that commercial solicitors (as opposed, say, to human rights lawyers) are likely to be lefties. Met many? I wasn't refering to your entire profession, just you. B2003 |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:55:38 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote: On 30/08/11 11:48, d wrote: Because supermarkets won't pay them the real value of what they produce. The farmers should call their bluff - then watch Tesco et al panic as they try and source basic commodities for the entire country from abroad. What have you got against the free market, comrade? Withholding goods until you can get a better price IS free market econonics you muppet. B2003 |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:14:34 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote: On 30/08/11 12:08, d wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:55:38 +0100 The Real wrote: What have you got against the free market, comrade? Withholding goods until you can get a better price IS free market econonics So is paying what the market will stand. There is no proper market if there's a guaranteed subsidy. B2003 |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:19:05 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote: On 30/08/2011 12:08, d wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:55:38 +0100 The Real wrote: On 30/08/11 11:48, d wrote: Because supermarkets won't pay them the real value of what they produce. The farmers should call their bluff - then watch Tesco et al panic as they try and source basic commodities for the entire country from abroad. What have you got against the free market, comrade? Withholding goods until you can get a better price IS free market econonics you muppet. Discovering it is not a bluff and Tescos can source from elsewhere without a trace of panic is also free market economics. True, but its unlikely to happen. If brussels dropped its subsidies for all european farmers the supermarkets would have no choice to pay the proper price and the consumer would be no worse off - in theory - since what he loses in higher food prices he gains in lower taxes. Or at least thats how it would work if Brussels were an honest open institution and not a bunch of lazy money grabbing incompetents. B2003 |
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On Aug 30, 12:06*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:49:05 -0700 (PDT) BrianW wrote: Incidentally, I like the insinuation that commercial solicitors (as opposed, say, to human rights lawyers) are likely to be lefties. *Met many? I wasn't refering to your entire profession, just you. Fair enough. Although I'm not sure why you think I'm a lefty/ |
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On 30/08/2011 12:42, d wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:19:05 +0100 Graeme wrote: On 30/08/2011 12:08, d wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:55:38 +0100 The Real wrote: On 30/08/11 11:48, d wrote: Because supermarkets won't pay them the real value of what they produce. The farmers should call their bluff - then watch Tesco et al panic as they try and source basic commodities for the entire country from abroad. What have you got against the free market, comrade? Withholding goods until you can get a better price IS free market econonics you muppet. Discovering it is not a bluff and Tescos can source from elsewhere without a trace of panic is also free market economics. True, but its unlikely to happen. If brussels dropped its subsidies for all european farmers the supermarkets would have no choice to pay the proper price and the consumer would be no worse off - in theory - since what he loses in higher food prices he gains in lower taxes. Or at least thats how it would work if Brussels were an honest open institution and not a bunch of lazy money grabbing incompetents. Have you been in a supermarket lately and seen where they source their fresh produce from? -- Graeme Wall This account not read, substitute trains for rail. Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:36:36 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote: True, but its unlikely to happen. If brussels dropped its subsidies for all european farmers the supermarkets would have no choice to pay the proper price and the consumer would be no worse off - in theory - since what he loses in higher food prices he gains in lower taxes. Or at least thats how it would work if Brussels were an honest open institution and not a bunch of lazy money grabbing incompetents. Have you been in a supermarket lately and seen where they source their fresh produce from? I'm talking about staple foods , not mung beans or couscous or whatever. They can't get all their milk, wheat, potatoes etc from guatamala. Even new zealand lamb is seasonal. B2003 |
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On Aug 30, 11:55*am, The Real Doctor
wrote: On 30/08/11 11:48, wrote: Because supermarkets won't pay them the real value of what they produce.. The farmers should call their bluff - then watch Tesco et al panic as they try and source basic commodities for the entire country from abroad. What have you got against the free market, comrade? Hilarious, isn't it, how even the most rabid right-wingers can suddenly go all lefty when the nasty realities of life intrude upon their own pet concerns? |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:18:06 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote: No problem getting wheat, potatoes or whatever from Guatamala or even further afield. We used to get wheat from Argentina for instance and that was before the container revolution. Milk can easily be sourced from Eastern Europe for instance and lamb doesn't have to come from New Zealand, again Argentina can supply. Eastern europe barely produces enough for itself these days and if the whole of the EU suddenly sourced ALL its food from abroad , even assuming there was enough spare, what do you think that would do to global prices? Suddenly that lamb from argentina won't be available cheaper than local produce. As has been pointed out, the expensive bit of transporting goods is the last few miles to the shops, getting it from the other side of the world to Southampton or Felixstowe costs peanuts so British producers have no advantage there. See above. Incidentally not being a trendy lefty like you, what are mung beans anyway? A disgusting legume only fit for trendies and animal feed. B2003 |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 06:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
BrianW wrote: On Aug 30, 11:55=A0am, The Real Doctor wrote: On 30/08/11 11:48, wrote: Because supermarkets won't pay them the real value of what they produce= .. The farmers should call their bluff - then watch Tesco et al panic as t= hey try and source basic commodities for the entire country from abroad. What have you got against the free market, comrade? Hilarious, isn't it, how even the most rabid right-wingers can suddenly go all lefty when the nasty realities of life intrude upon their own pet concerns? Why? I have right wing social views but centre left economic views. I think you'll find a lot of people fit that description. Many are the other way around. If my attitude was f*ck everyone else, I just care about money why would I give a toss about immigration or the effect it has? B2003 |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:53:09 +0100
"Tim Fenton" wrote: Bottlar, let me give you a little information. Ian isn't a student. Well thats how he comes across so what does that say about him? No, he sounds like he's enjoying himself immensely at the expense of a clueless bigot who has difficulty expressing himself in written English. "clueless bigot"? Is that really the best you can come up with after all this time? Do try harder old chap. Water off a ducks back etc etc. B2003 |
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On 30/08/11 14:50, BrianW wrote:
Hilarious, isn't it, how even the most rabid right-wingers can suddenly go all lefty when the nasty realities of life intrude upon their own pet concerns? Oh yes indeed. Ian |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:25:34 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote: On 30/08/11 15:08, d wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:53:09 +0100 "Tim wrote: Bottlar, let me give you a little information. Ian isn't a student. Well thats how he comes across so what does that say about him? That I get misunderstood by clueless bigots? Oh dear, you can't even think up your own insults now. Also you forgot to repeat it 4 times just for effect then skweam and skweam until you're sick. ;) B2003 |
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On Aug 30, 11:30*am, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:06*pm, Dave Jackson wrote: On 29/08/2011 12:21, Tim Fenton wrote: flannelled fool Neddie Seagoon, IIRC. He wanted to buy a penguin... Must dig out the mp3 player which holds my Goon collection - certainly be more entertaining than this thread. There is always something distasteful about off-topic threads that exist merely to criticize individuals. *They have no place in uk.r, et al. *Several months back Whitehead started one in order to belittle Alan Tracy. *Doing so said much more about Whitehead than Mr. Tracy. Ah yes, I remember that well, Mr "Auer"-Hudson. Our dear old friend Mr Tracy had posted the view that the massacre in Cumbria by Derrick Bird was all the fault of Gordon Brown. Something to do with the fact that Gordon Brown had increased taxes to the point that Derrick Bird couldn't pay them and, um, went and murdered loads of people. On reflection, it was a perfectly valid and reasonable stance, and I really shouldn't have intimated that Mr Tracy was a loon for saying it. Just as I shouldn't intimate that you are a loon, Mr "Auer"-Hudson |
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On 30/08/11 15:34, d wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:25:34 +0100 The Real wrote: On 30/08/11 15:08, d wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:53:09 +0100 "Tim wrote: Bottlar, let me give you a little information. Ian isn't a student. Well thats how he comes across so what does that say about him? That I get misunderstood by clueless bigots? Oh dear, you can't even think up your own insults now. That's the joke. Ian |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:42:29 +0100
The Real Doctor wrote: That I get misunderstood by clueless bigots? Oh dear, you can't even think up your own insults now. That's the joke. No, you're the joke. B2003 |
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On Aug 30, 9:47*am, Bol-tard wrote:
So the actual results distort the picture? You mean they don't suit your argument so you choose to ignore them. I wasn't putting forward an argument; I was just stating a pertinent fact. And if I decide to comment on something, then how am I ignoring it? Are you denying that the amount of blue on the map is disproportionate to the number of seats won by the Tories? Why do you think they sometimes show a derivative of that map with all the constituencies represented by hexagons of equal size? It's so that the colours are in proportion to seats won. The modified version always looks far less blue than the original, I assure you. Also, were you suggesting that a clear lead for Labour in the polls over the past several months is something that the Tories are happy about? Are you a character out of a george orwell (sic) novel or something? "George Orwell". Proper nouns are capitalised. They teach you that in primary school. |
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On Aug 30, 11:37*am, 1506 wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:22*pm, "Railsigns.co.uk" wrote: That's because the Tories tend to do well in the affluent countryside constituencies that cover the largest geographical areas. Even in the event of a Labour landslide, those maps would still look pretty blue. The countryside: That would be farms. *Farmers are the folks who work long hours to put food on your table. *They are common sense people. They vote Conservative because they have worked very hard for what they have. Are you saying that the Labour Party's core voters - the working class - don't work hard? There's a clue in the name. As to what causes people to vote Conservative, mainly it's the combination of being both well-off and selfish: "I'm all right, Jack". Then there are the xenophobes and bigots, if they haven't switched to voting UKIP or BNP. And some people are just plain clueless or too young to remember the Thatcher years. Do you have a problem with that? Nowhere in the post you replied to did I even suggest I had a problem with anything. Nock the countryside if you wish. *You are biting the hand that feeds you. You are reading words that I did not write. I would never "nock" the countryside and neither would I knock it. I was brought up in the countryside, for flip sake. |
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