On Oct 3, 11:02*am, "GT" wrote:


This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid breaking
their law: The religious law prohibits them from using electricity or
operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do they think the green man
is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

"NM" wrote in message

On Oct 3, 11:02 am, "GT" wrote:


This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:09:04 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

Yup. Jehovahs witnesses are evil scum. End of.

B2003

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:09:04 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

Yup. Jehovahs witnesses are evil scum. End of.

I'd like to see JWs charged and convicted of murder or manslaughter if the
child dies, and negligence or child abuse if it survives, in this case. Why
should doctors have to jump through hoops (using non-blood substitutes) if
parents refuse treatment? Refusing treatment for yourself is fair enough,
but
foisting that on someone that you are responsible for is very different.

On Oct 3, 12:09*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"NM" wrote in message



On Oct 3, 11:02 am, "GT" wrote:

This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? * * * *I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. *:-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? *Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Neill

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
neill wrote:
I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Its all how many fairies on the head of a pin really isn't it.

B2003

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On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT)
neill wrote:
I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Its all how many fairies on the head of a pin really isn't it.

No. I think fairies are christian.

As my late father used to say to me "Thank god I'm an atheist".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 03/10/2011 12:23, neill wrote:
On Oct 3, 12:09 pm, wrote:
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On Oct 3, 11:02 am, wrote:

This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

I know a Jewish scholar who goes on at length about the ridiculous
interpretations put on Jewish Law regarding the Sabbath. The problem
seems to be that getting two individual rabbis, sects or synagogues to
agree on one point of law without generations of debate, is a bit like
herding cats. As he said to me one, if Jews followed the instructions
exactly, none of them would be able to go to synagogue on the Sabbath,
as they wouldn't be able to operate the door handle to get out of the
house.

Another silly thing is these instructions are "fences around the law" -
they're there to prevent you getting close to breaking the actual rules.

In message , Recliner
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"NM" wrote in message

On Oct 3, 11:02 am, "GT" wrote:


This is silly - removing the button doesn't help them to avoid
breaking their law: The religious law prohibits them from using
electricity or operating machinery on the Sabbath. What exactly do
they think the green man is powered by?!!

Sweetcorn? I hope none of them are fitted with heart
pacemakers. :-)

I think the made-up religious rules are conveniently relaxed for
live-saving medical technology (Jerusalem hospital work seven-days a
week, after all) -- maybe someone should have deemed that pedestrian
crossing buttons come into this category? Of course, some Christian
nutters would rather die than accept a life-saving blood transfusion,
and they inflict this on their children, too.

There are nice exemptions for being able to eat pork and bacon if it is
a "medical emergency". More difficult to engineer than it should be
(engineer being the fail word too - naughty)

That said, hypothetically speaking, if you do fall of the bandwagon, it
does mean that eating pork and bacon becomes more pleasurable than most
Christians/other peoples will ever be able to appreciate eating the same
food (due to the knowledge that one is eating prohibited food).

And, just about, slightly on topic. There's a very good all night
beigel bakery on Brick Lane between Liverpool Street Station and
Shoreditch High Street Station. I recommend their salt beef beigels.
The shop is not certified kosher, so that reduces the potential cost by
50%.

--
Paul G
Typing from Kentish Town

"Huge" wrote in message

On 2011-10-03, Paul G wrote:
In message , Recliner

There are nice exemptions for being able to eat pork and bacon if it
is a "medical emergency".

Actually, there is a blanket exemption for all the rules of Judaism if
there's a life threatening situation. Not just medical emergencies.

Wouldn't crossing a busy road count as a life threatening situation?