At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right. This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow. At
other junctions where both turns are banned you would see a vertical
white arrow on a blue background beneath the three traffic lights, but
they have not done that here. The result is that if you arrive at the
junction when the light is red, you may not know that the turns are
banned until the light turns green, and since most people start moving
when the amber comes on, that seems a bit late to me.

There are currently large banned left and right turn signs on metal
easels, but these are obviously temporary and seem to be an admission
that TPTB know that the lack of the permanent signs is confusing. I am
doubtful that you could be prosecuted for turning when the temporary
signs are gone and the green arrow light is all that remains. The only
other indication that the turns might be banned is that both lanes
approaching the junction have a forward arrow painted on them, but I
know that these have no legal force and can also be found at junctions
where the right turn is only banned part time. So, is the new signage
legal? it seems like a backward step to me.

Basil Jet wrote:

At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right. This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow. At
other junctions where both turns are banned you would see a vertical
white arrow on a blue background beneath the three traffic lights,
but they have not done that here. The result is that if you arrive at
the junction when the light is red, you may not know that the turns
are banned until the light turns green, and since most people start
moving when the amber comes on, that seems a bit late to me.

There are currently large banned left and right turn signs on metal
easels, but these are obviously temporary and seem to be an admission
that TPTB know that the lack of the permanent signs is confusing. I
am doubtful that you could be prosecuted for turning when the
temporary signs are gone and the green arrow light is all that
remains. The only other indication that the turns might be banned is
that both lanes approaching the junction have a forward arrow painted
on them, but I know that these have no legal force and can also be
found at junctions where the right turn is only banned part time. So,
is the new signage legal? it seems like a backward step to me.

It might be worth bringing this to the attention of the local council
highways dept, see what they say.

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Paul - xxx
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In message , Basil Jet
wrote:
At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right. This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow.
[...]
I am doubtful that you could be prosecuted for turning when the
temporary signs are gone and the green arrow light is all that remains.

The green arrow only gives you authority to move in that direction.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...ading/light-si
gnals-and-warning-lights/made

and scroll down to paragraph 36.

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Clive D. W. Feather wrote on 30 October 2011 08:20:10 ...
In , Basil Jet
wrote:
At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right. This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow.
[...]
I am doubtful that you could be prosecuted for turning when the
temporary signs are gone and the green arrow light is all that remains.

The green arrow only gives you authority to move in that direction.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...ading/light-si
gnals-and-warning-lights/made

and scroll down to paragraph 36.

There are some junctions where traffic gets a green arrow in one
direction first, then later a full green. In those cases no other signs
are needed or would be appropriate.

At Exhibition Road I agree that it would be helpful to have a
white-on-blue arrow as well, but maybe the current restriction is temporary.
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:49:17 +0000, Richard J. put finger to keyboard and
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Clive D. W. Feather wrote on 30 October 2011 08:20:10 ...
In , Basil Jet
wrote:
At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right. This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow.
[...]
I am doubtful that you could be prosecuted for turning when the
temporary signs are gone and the green arrow light is all that remains.

The green arrow only gives you authority to move in that direction.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...ading/light-si
gnals-and-warning-lights/made

and scroll down to paragraph 36.

There are some junctions where traffic gets a green arrow in one
direction first, then later a full green. In those cases no other signs
are needed or would be appropriate.

At Exhibition Road I agree that it would be helpful to have a
white-on-blue arrow as well, but maybe the current restriction is temporary.

Or maybe the lack of permanent signs is temporary.

Mark
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On 30/10/2011 08:03, Basil Jet wrote:
At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or right.
This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow. At other
junctions where both turns are banned you would see a vertical white arrow
on a blue background beneath the three traffic lights, but they have not
done that here.

I would expect to see 'no left turn' and 'no right turn' signs in red
circles alongside or under the green arrow.

time. So, is the new signage legal? it seems like a backward step to me.

They are legal. In principle you are disobeying the lights by turning.
The lack of signs showing the prohibitions is a very good defence.

On 2011\10\30 16:21, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 30/10/2011 08:03, Basil Jet wrote:
At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right.
This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow. At other
junctions where both turns are banned you would see a vertical white
arrow
on a blue background beneath the three traffic lights, but they have not
done that here.

I would expect to see 'no left turn' and 'no right turn' signs in red
circles alongside or under the green arrow.

After a little googling, it seems that is the norm for forced forward
across a two way road (except Oxford Street, curiously), whereas the
blue arrow is the norm for forced forward because both side roads are no
entry. Perhaps the distinction is to help police cars etc. know that
it's okay to ignore the former but you have to be bloody careful when
ignoring the latter. I've always thought that there should be some
distinction between banned turn because of no entry and banned turn
because it's a banned turn, to help police cars driving at speed.

On 30/10/2011 08:03, Basil Jet wrote:
At the crossroads of Exhibition Road and Cromwell Road SW7, traffic
approaching from three directions is now banned from turning left or
right. This is signified by the green light being a forward arrow. At
other junctions where both turns are banned you would see a vertical
white arrow on a blue background beneath the three traffic lights, but
they have not done that here. The result is that if you arrive at the
junction when the light is red, you may not know that the turns are
banned until the light turns green, and since most people start moving
when the amber comes on, that seems a bit late to me.

Amber still means stop, so they shouldn't be moving until the green
light comes on, by which time the indication is clear.

Colin Bignell

On 30/10/2011 16:42, Basil Jet wrote:

After a little googling, it seems that is the norm for forced forward
across a two way road (except Oxford Street, curiously), whereas the blue

I've not been for years, but I assume Oxford Street in London is no entry
except buses and taxis? So still not technically a prohibit turn.

On 2011\10\30 17:06, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 30/10/2011 16:42, Basil Jet wrote:

After a little googling, it seems that is the norm for forced forward
across a two way road (except Oxford Street, curiously), whereas the blue

I've not been for years, but I assume Oxford Street in London is no
entry except buses and taxis? So still not technically a prohibit turn.

Although taxis are always allowed to enter Oxford Street from the ends,
they are banned from turning into it at most junctions. At night and on
Sunday, all cars are allowed to enter from the ends, but are still
banned from turning in at most junctions.