Hi there,
New Travelcard regime of only zones 2 and 3 for a normal journey from south London zone 3 to Canary Wharf via Canada Water and NOT via London Bridge has not worked out. Got charged £1.90 for journey home, but this was only touching in at Canary Wharf and out at south London zone 3. Either my idea is wrong or I should have touched in/out somewhere along my journey, like at either Canada Water and/or Crystal Palace.
Any suggestions before I plead my case to TfL,
Martin J

"martin j" wrote in message
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Hi there,
New Travelcard regime of only zones 2 and 3 for a normal journey from
south London zone 3 to Canary Wharf via Canada Water and NOT via London
Bridge has not worked out. Got charged £1.90 for journey home, but this
was only touching in at Canary Wharf and out at south London zone 3.
Either my idea is wrong or I should have touched in/out somewhere along my
journey, like at either Canada Water and/or Crystal Palace.
Any suggestions before I plead my case to TfL,
Martin J

Look up your journey on TfL's 'single fare finder', it will show the
default fare.

If your route needs a touch at an interchange validator to reduce that
default fare, it will explain where you must do that.

You really do need to tell us your origin station though. 'South London
zone 3' covers such a wide area there are many different default routes,
some of which will assume travel via zone 1.

Paul S

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:56:05 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
You really do need to tell us your origin station though. 'South
London
zone 3' covers such a wide area there are many different default
routes,
some of which will assume travel via zone 1.

If you travel via Zone 1 when the default is not to, do you have to
do the same to increase the fare?

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:56:05 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
You really do need to tell us your origin station though. 'South
London
zone 3' covers such a wide area there are many different default
routes,
some of which will assume travel via zone 1.

If you travel via Zone 1 when the default is not to, do you have to do the
same to increase the fare?

People have previously reported examples of passing through OSIs within zone
1, but without the overall journey being charged as including zone 1.

I suspect the only check is the overall start and end points, and if the
time limit isn't exceeded.

Paul S

martin j wrote in
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Hi there,
New Travelcard regime of only zones 2 and 3 for a normal journey from
south London zone 3 to Canary Wharf via Canada Water and NOT via
London Bridge has not worked out. Got charged £1.90 for journey home,
but this was only touching in at Canary Wharf and out at south London
zone 3. Either my idea is wrong or I should have touched in/out
somewhere along my journey, like at either Canada Water and/or Crystal
Palace. Any suggestions before I plead my case to TfL,
Martin J

For most "South London Zone 3" stations (e.g. Balham [National Rail]) the
default is via Zone 1 and for the cheaper fare you need

"To ensure you are charged the appropriate fare you must touch on the pink
card reader on the Oyster route validator if interchanging at Canada Water"

See

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...current/defaul
t.aspx?mode=alternate&on=Canary+Wharf&dn=Balham+%5 bNational+Rail%
5d&ft=Adult

David

Thanks Chaps.
My station is Streatham Hill, so my Underground part is just to Canada Water, then Overground journey to Crystal Place or Sydenham and change to National Rail.
What's the suggested touch in/out points?
Thanks,
Martin J

martin j wrote in
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Thanks Chaps.
My station is Streatham Hill, so my Underground part is just to Canada
Water, then Overground journey to Crystal Place or Sydenham and change
to National Rail. What's the suggested touch in/out points?
Thanks,
Martin J

Touch in: Canary Wharf
Route Validation (Pink reader): Canada Water
Touch out: Streatham Hill

See
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...current/defaul
t.aspx?mode=alternate&on=Canary+Wharf&dn=Streatham +Hill+%5bNational+Rail%
5d&ft=Adult

David

Interesting. When I looked up exactly the same journey last night on
my netbook via the TfL website it provided the fare and route via
Canada Water as the primary fare at £1.90 without any statement about
needed to validate at Canada Water. The £4.10 journey via Zone 1 was
shown as the alternative fare.

Today, using your link and looking it up separately, on a desktop PC
the £4.10 fare is shown as the primary route and the £1.90 fare via
Canada Water is shown as the alternative with a clear requirement to
touch on the route validator at CW. How very, very strange.

Is it possible you specified Canary Wharf on one occasion and Canary
Wharf [DLR] on the other? ISTR that differences of that sort can lead
to different primary fares/routes. And it does seem to for the route in
question this morning.
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Robin
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martin j wrote in
news:5708748.766.1320435317832.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqce21:

Thanks Chaps.
My station is Streatham Hill, so my Underground part is just to Canada
Water, then Overground journey to Crystal Place or Sydenham and change
to National Rail. What's the suggested touch in/out points?
Thanks,
Martin J

Touch in: Canary Wharf
Route Validation (Pink reader): Canada Water
Touch out: Streatham Hill

See
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...current/defaul
t.aspx?mode=alternate&on=Canary+Wharf&dn=Streatha m+Hill+%5bNational+Rail%
5d&ft=Adult

Surely for any journey via zone 1 you will have to pass through barriers
where you change from NR to LU (at London Bridge, Balham, Victoria etc). The
only way to get from Streatham Hill to Canary Wharf without passing any
barriers is via the ELL to Canada Water.

So the default fare if there are no intermediate touches, should be the
not-Z1 fare.

Peter Smyth

"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
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Surely for any journey via zone 1 you will have to pass through barriers
where you change from NR to LU (at London Bridge, Balham, Victoria etc).
The only way to get from Streatham Hill to Canary Wharf without passing
any barriers is via the ELL to Canada Water.

So the default fare if there are no intermediate touches, should be the
not-Z1 fare.

That doesn't actually follow for the system in general - don't forget you
could go further 'west' than Balham, maybe changing onto the underground
behind the barriers, at West Brompton for instance (not likely but
possible).

Lack of a zone 1 touch in/out can be overridden by the fact that (as they
point out) some journeys are just defined as being 'via zone 1'. They don't
necessarily have to detect your presence in zone 1, but you sometimes get
the option of telling them you didn't go that way, using an interchange
validator. OTOH for some journeys the interchange validator won't do
anything, because they haven't agreed the detour is likely.

As a further point, the OP mentioned using some sort of travelcard (a
season?) - is he actually using PAYG extensions to that travelcard?

Paul