On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it. They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

B2003

In message , d
writes
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

I thought it fair to middling.



this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it.

Do your relatives share this view? Not a quick yes/no, but a thought
out answer dealing with all the emotions that they will have, do you
really think that all they want to know is "he's dead" without an
explanation or would they rather know why and how, what caused your sad
demise, was it your fault, hopefully not. Or, if the detail can be
obtained they may be able to focus their grief on what actually
happened.



They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

There is a slight difference in the two situations and the complexity of
the detail.

B2003



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Bill

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:00:42 +0000
Bill wrote:
Do your relatives share this view? Not a quick yes/no, but a thought

No idea, and once I'm dead I won't care.

They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

There is a slight difference in the two situations and the complexity of
the detail.

Not really. Not everyone who falls under a tube train jumps - some are pushed.
Who was the suspect, where did he go etc etc...

B2003

d wrote on 16 March 2012 09:39:48 ...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it. They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

Your description of an accident in which someone died (an acquaintance
of an acquaintance of mine actually) as a "perfectly ordinary accident"
and a "bog standard accident" just shows how callously insensitive you
are. Any argument based on those sentiments is not worth debating. Good
night.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

In message , Richard J.
writes
wrote on 16 March 2012 09:39:48 ...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it. They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog
standard
road accident.

Your description of an accident in which someone died (an acquaintance
of an acquaintance of mine actually) as a "perfectly ordinary accident"
and a "bog standard accident" just shows how callously insensitive you
are. Any argument based on those sentiments is not worth debating.
Good night.

I fully understand your feelings about such situations. However, haven't
the police admitted that, when there have been fatalities, they do
sometimes have a policy of closing the road essentially to show respect
for the deceased and their families, and also to demonstrate to other
road users what the consequences of bad driving can be. While I'm sure
that those trapped in traffic all feel sad about what has happened,
should they be made to show respect and guilt in this way?
--
Ian

On Mar 17, 8:31*am, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Richard J.
writes
[...]
Your description of an accident in which someone died (an acquaintance
of an acquaintance of mine actually) as a "perfectly ordinary accident"
and a "bog standard accident" just shows how callously insensitive you
are. Any argument based on those sentiments is not worth debating.
Good night.

I fully understand your feelings about such situations. However, haven't
the police admitted that, when there have been fatalities, they do
sometimes have a policy of closing the road essentially to show respect
for the deceased and their families, and also to demonstrate to other
road users what the consequences of bad driving can be. [...]

That sounds like total nonsense - can you point to any such
'admission'?

[...] While I'm sure
that those trapped in traffic all feel sad about what has happened,
should they be made to show respect and guilt in this way?

In message
,
Mizter T writes

On Mar 17, 8:31*am, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Richard J.
writes
[...]
Your description of an accident in which someone died (an acquaintance
of an acquaintance of mine actually) as a "perfectly ordinary accident"
and a "bog standard accident" just shows how callously insensitive you
are. Any argument based on those sentiments is not worth debating.
Good night.

I fully understand your feelings about such situations. However, haven't
the police admitted that, when there have been fatalities, they do
sometimes have a policy of closing the road essentially to show respect
for the deceased and their families, and also to demonstrate to other
road users what the consequences of bad driving can be. [...]

That sounds like total nonsense - can you point to any such
'admission'?

It was three or four years ago - I think when the M5 was shut for a
long, long time, with a lot of people being left trapped. And I think
that, about the same time, several other road closures occurred.
Questions began to be asked about whether such protracted closures were
really justified. At least one police spokesman thought that some mark
of respect was necessary in these circumstances.

[...] While I'm sure
that those trapped in traffic all feel sad about what has happened,
should they be made to show respect and guilt in this way?

--
Ian

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:58:09 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
Your description of an accident in which someone died (an acquaintance
of an acquaintance of mine actually) as a "perfectly ordinary accident"
and a "bog standard accident" just shows how callously insensitive you
are. Any argument based on those sentiments is not worth debating. Good
night.

I feel your pain about the death of "an aquaintance of an aquantaince".
Did you get councilling?

Lets be realistic - the death of anyone is a loss to their friends and
relatives but means jack **** to everyone else. If that sounds callous then
ask yourself whether you burst into tears or even think every day about the
hundreds of kids who die in africa every day from malnutrition or disease?
No? Didn't think so. So don't pretend you give a rats arse about someone
you don't know dying in a road accident.

B2003

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:

this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident.

You seem to be stating this as a fact; what is your source of knowledge?

--
DAS