Some accidents on the M25 and A40 this morning basically gridlocked most of west
london thanks to plod taking their own sweet time to clear up the scene. Does
it really warrant closing a major road for 3 bloody hours (and counting) just
to take notes of a car crash? Once the casualties have been ferried away ,
take some photos and push the vehicles onto the side of the road until they
can be towed away. What is the bloody problem with plod in this country? Why
does even a modest accident have to be a ****ing "crime scene"? Have they
really got nothing else better to do with their time?

B2003

On Mar 15, 10:39*am, wrote:
Some accidents on the M25 and A40 this morning basically gridlocked most of west
london thanks to plod taking their own sweet time to clear up the scene. Does
it really warrant closing a major road for 3 bloody hours (and counting) just
to take notes of a car crash? Once the casualties have been ferried away ,
take some photos and push the vehicles onto the side of the road until they
can be towed away. What is the bloody problem with plod in this country? Why
does even a modest accident have to be a ****ing "crime scene"? Have they
really got nothing else better to do with their time?

B2003

100% with you on that one, the eventual likely outcome of a crime
scene investigation is prosecution which normally will result in a
fine or two and a few D/L points, is that worth the cost of the delays
and disruption caused? Any plod like to comment??

On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 04:44:20 -0700 (PDT)
NM wrote:
100% with you on that one, the eventual likely outcome of a crime
scene investigation is prosecution which normally will result in a
fine or two and a few D/L points, is that worth the cost of the delays
and disruption caused? Any plod like to comment??

Quite - a complete waste of time and resources, not to mention all the
extra pollution from the stuck traffic and people missing appointments or
deliveries. Someone should remind traffic plod occasionally that they're
public servants, they don't run the show.

B2003

On Mar 15, 10:39*am, wrote:
Some accidents on the M25 and A40 this morning basically gridlocked most of west
london thanks to plod taking their own sweet time to clear up the scene. Does
it really warrant closing a major road for 3 bloody hours (and counting) just
to take notes of a car crash? Once the casualties have been ferried away ,
take some photos and push the vehicles onto the side of the road until they
can be towed away. What is the bloody problem with plod in this country? Why
does even a modest accident have to be a ****ing "crime scene"? Have they
really got nothing else better to do with their time?

B2003

I absoluely agree. It's because they love playing at Plods and they
have all the resources and time in the world. Not one copper is
connected to the REAL world where time is money and money not earned
is money lost.

McK.

In message , d
writes
Some accidents on the M25 and A40 this morning basically gridlocked
most of west
london thanks to plod taking their own sweet time to clear up the scene. Does
it really warrant closing a major road for 3 bloody hours (and counting) just
to take notes of a car crash? Once the casualties have been ferried away ,
take some photos and push the vehicles onto the side of the road until they
can be towed away. What is the bloody problem with plod in this country? Why
does even a modest accident have to be a ****ing "crime scene"? Have they
really got nothing else better to do with their time?

B2003


Looking at it from a different angle. Your loved one is killed in a
crash and when it comes to coroners court the police say, we are not
sure what the exact reasons were, we have a few photos but no detailed
measurements and samples because we pushed everything out of the way and
destroyed the physical evidence.. So you never get a definitive answer
of what happened.

Or you have a crash and kill someone, you are prosecuted for causing
death by, you of course say you did not and that this that and the other
happened. But again the police only have a few photos and conflicting
witness statements, no hard facts. So you end up in jail.

It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

--
Bill

Bill wrote on 15 March 2012 20:52:47 ...
In , d
writes
Some accidents on the M25 and A40 this morning basically gridlocked
most of west
london thanks to plod taking their own sweet time to clear up the scene. Does
it really warrant closing a major road for 3 bloody hours (and counting) just
to take notes of a car crash? Once the casualties have been ferried away ,
take some photos and push the vehicles onto the side of the road until they
can be towed away. What is the bloody problem with plod in this country? Why
does even a modest accident have to be a ****ing "crime scene"? Have they
really got nothing else better to do with their time?

B2003


Looking at it from a different angle. Your loved one is killed in a
crash and when it comes to coroners court the police say, we are not
sure what the exact reasons were, we have a few photos but no detailed
measurements and samples because we pushed everything out of the way and
destroyed the physical evidence.. So you never get a definitive answer
of what happened.

Or you have a crash and kill someone, you are prosecuted for causing
death by, you of course say you did not and that this that and the other
happened. But again the police only have a few photos and conflicting
witness statements, no hard facts. So you end up in jail.

It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident
this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it. They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

B2003

In message , d
writes
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard J." wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

I thought it fair to middling.



this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it.

Do your relatives share this view? Not a quick yes/no, but a thought
out answer dealing with all the emotions that they will have, do you
really think that all they want to know is "he's dead" without an
explanation or would they rather know why and how, what caused your sad
demise, was it your fault, hopefully not. Or, if the detail can be
obtained they may be able to focus their grief on what actually
happened.



They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

There is a slight difference in the two situations and the complexity of
the detail.

B2003



--
Bill

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:00:42 +0000
Bill wrote:
Do your relatives share this view? Not a quick yes/no, but a thought

No idea, and once I'm dead I won't care.

They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

There is a slight difference in the two situations and the complexity of
the detail.

Not really. Not everyone who falls under a tube train jumps - some are pushed.
Who was the suspect, where did he go etc etc...

B2003

d wrote on 16 March 2012 09:39:48 ...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:58:43 +0000
"Richard wrote:
It may be an inconvenience to you and others, but it can save a lifetime
of doubt and uncertainty, or a life changing criminal record, or not,
for those involved.

Good post, Bill, and highly relevant. The A40 Gypsy Corner accident

No it wasn't, it was the usual special pleading·

this morning involved a lorry and a motorcycle. One man died there.
This was not a "modest accident".

It was a perfectly ordinary accident. 2000 people die on the roads each year
in the UK. We all take risks when we drive and if I ended up dead in an
accident I wouldn't expect the half of london to be inconvenienced because
of it. They manage to get the tube up and running fairly quickly when someone
falls under a train so there's absolutely no reason for a major arterial
road to be closed for almost the entire morning just because of a bog standard
road accident.

Your description of an accident in which someone died (an acquaintance
of an acquaintance of mine actually) as a "perfectly ordinary accident"
and a "bog standard accident" just shows how callously insensitive you
are. Any argument based on those sentiments is not worth debating. Good
night.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)