In message , at 12:30:26 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
According to who? And what is a "significant percentage"? Unless its more
than about 20% which I highly doubt then it'll make sod all difference.

Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million
people, which quite a big chunk.

Which reports?

Google is your friend.

And half of the people saying they want to leave will? Thats a
big leap.

No, it's separate surveys.

And is that the same in every region?

Not seem a breakdown, but it's likely to be skewed to the South-East,
because that's where people have the money to take the time off, and
where most of the disruption will be.

I'd love to think otherwise but I suspect we're in for 3 weeks of travel
chaos in London over the olympics.

I'm sure it will indeed be pretty grim. And that's *even* *if* they can
get lots of people to flee for the fortnight.

All that and 23 billion poorer

Huh? The bill is in the region of 8-9 billion, not 23.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 12:26:26 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get
permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday.

Who needs permission? The 50 quid fine is less than the excess it costs
in travel costs in peak months.

It's nothing to do with fines. Parents and schools need to feel like
they are on the same side, and there's a huge amount of emotional
blackmail over this particular issue.
--
Roland Perry

On Mar 30, 12:24*pm, "Robin" wrote:

Would you please share your evidence that 1 week is the "norm"?

It doesn't matter that individuals won't take 3 weeks. What does
matter is that some people will be on holiday (more than, say, in
March or October) for each of the 3 weeks. Thus there will be a
reduction in demand.

Anyone who's a regular rail commuter will have realised that the
trains are *noticeably* less busy in July and August because of this
effect. Yet almost nobody is taking all of July *and* all of August
off.

Neil

On Mar 30, 12:24*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:23:40
on Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Roger Traviss
remarked:

Really? Perhaps in your strange world but folk with children will have to
take some time off during the summer to fit in with the school holidays

You're kidding?

On this side of the pond parents can and do take the kids on holiday anytime
they want.

Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get
permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday.

My own school says it won't authorise term-time absence for any of the
following reasons:

* availability of cheap holidays
* availability of desired accommodation
* poor weather experienced in school holiday periods
* overlap with the beginning or end of term

... so all that really leaves is religious festivals or unavoidable
family matters (like burying a Grandmother who lives overseas).
--
Roland Perry

When I was in primary school, it was permitted at any time, indeed, we
normally went on holiday in September, just after the new school year
started. When I went up to secondary school, this was no longer
permitted. When I started work I got two weeks (10 days), which
increased to 12 days after, I think, the first two years, and then to
15 days. It's now got ridiculous; for the last few years I've got 37
days, but this includes five days carry over of unused leave from the
previous year. From this year carry over will no longer be permitted,
so next year I will get 32 days. At the end of last year I had 22
days unused, and the previous year 21 days; it's just about impossible
to take all of the leave; there's too much work to do. There are
certain times of year when no leave, other than compassionate, is
allowed to be taken, and leave at other times has to be approved, and
will only be granted if it does not conflict with the needs of the
organisation; this mainly means how many other people from te same
department will be out at the same time for various reasons; I suspect
that this would apply to most organisations. Recently, I've tended to
take two blocks of about five nights each in Yorkshire, though two
days of each would be weekend, plus a handful of odd days. This year
I'm taking a week and a half off next month, but will probably not be
going away in October this year. Holidays in exotic places seem to be
popular again, one of us went to Vietnam this year, and two weeks
seems to be typical; I don't know many people who only get away for
one week, and this has been the case for many years. I don't think
many of us take our full entitlement. When overtime stopped being
paid we were allowed to claim TOIL instead for essential work out of
hours, but since we've already gort more leave than we can possibly
take, we generally don't.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:56:01 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:30:26 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
According to who? And what is a "significant percentage"? Unless its more
than about 20% which I highly doubt then it'll make sod all difference.

Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million
people, which quite a big chunk.

Which reports?

Google is your friend.

You made the assertion, you back it up. Don't expect others to do it for you.

All that and 23 billion poorer

Huh? The bill is in the region of 8-9 billion, not 23.

Typo, meant to type 12 billion. Regardless, its a huge amount of money for
a few weeks P.E.

B2003

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:57:51 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:26:26 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
Which side of the pond are you? In the UK it's almost impossible to get
permission to take kids out of school during term-time for a holiday.

Who needs permission? The 50 quid fine is less than the excess it costs
in travel costs in peak months.

It's nothing to do with fines. Parents and schools need to feel like
they are on the same side, and there's a huge amount of emotional
blackmail over this particular issue.

The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people
with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to
do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering.

B2003

On Mar 30, 3:31*pm, wrote:

The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people
with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to
do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering.

There is more demand for a limited commodity, ergo the price is
higher. That's just market economics.

The cheaper prices at other times encourages those who can (those
without children, primarily) to holiday at other times.

Neil

In message , at 13:30:29 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million
people, which quite a big chunk.

Which reports?

Google is your friend.

You made the assertion, you back it up. Don't expect others to do it for you.

I don't want you to "back me up". The figures I quoted are easy to find,
if you can be bothered.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 13:31:32 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
The real blackmail is in the holiday companies and airlines stiffing people
with exhorbitant fares during school holidays. There's no reason for them to
do it , they just do it because they can. Its naked profiteering.

They price things according to supply and demand. It's difficult to
criticise that in a capitalist economy.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 14:52:22 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:30:29 on Fri, 30 Mar
2012, d remarked:
Reports say that 21% "want to leave" and 12% will. That's seven million
people, which quite a big chunk.

Which reports?

Google is your friend.

You made the assertion, you back it up. Don't expect others to do it for you.

I don't want you to "back me up". The figures I quoted are easy to find,
if you can be bothered.

I can't. So I guess your insights will have to remain unappreciated.

B2003