On 14/06/2012 07:40, Roland Perry wrote:
[...]
The cost to me of subsidising callers is a fixed mnthly rental, and
incoming calls are free.

The cost to others of subsidising me not having a landline varies, but
is normally an extra cost per minute on the calls (to my mobile).

If they have a contract UK mobile with inclusive minutes (or a PAYG plan
that offers something similar), then calling from their mobile to yours
wouldn't incur extra expense. That's an *if* though, and there are other
factors such as availability of decent mobile reception for both the
calling and called parties.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
Or get a replacement handset and SIM, and then carry on using your
existing mobile number. (o2 will happily hand out a replacement SIM at
one of their shops.)

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

B2003

On 13/06/2012 17:32, wrote:

In o.uk,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:07:51AM -0500,
wrote:

Even if you were in a cabled area you'd have to pay for a Virgin
Media landline even if you didn't use it.

These days they'll sell you interweb without phone service.

Evidence?


VM broadband:
http://store.virginmedia.com/broadband/compare-broadband/index.html

VM phone line:
http://store.virginmedia.com/phone/phone-fibre-optic/compare-fibre-optic/index.html

Solo broadband is cheaper than taking broadband & phone line - yes, VM
do discount the broadband if you take a phone line as well, but the
total cost is still more. As ever, they'd prefer it if you took a bundle
and so both price and market their services accordingly - disentangling
the costs can take a bit of work.

However I'm pretty sure that when VM started offering solo broadband,
the cost was equivalent to a broadband + phone line bundle.

In article , d ()
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:23:21 +0100
" wrote:
On 12/06/2012 14:01, Neil Williams wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

I'd be expecting most of the calls from other landlines.

A generational thing I think. I have a landline but pretty much never
use it. As soon as I can get Internet access to my house without it
(not a cabled area) I will get rid of it.

I have never had a telephone in this flat as I my mobile plan is more
than suitable and I can pay pennies to call abroad via Skype from my
Internet connection.

Of course when (not if for most people) you lose your phone you'll be
completely screwed until you get a replacement and give everyone your new
number.

I've never had to get a new number when I've lost a phone. I just get a new
SIM on the existing number.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 14/06/2012 11:43, d wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100
Mizter wrote:
Or get a replacement handset and SIM, and then carry on using your
existing mobile number. (o2 will happily hand out a replacement SIM at
one of their shops.)

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

The number gets re-associated with the new SIM, so the old SIM becomes
useless.

Re the procedure, I think I've done it two ways - in the shop they call
up the o2 call centre (likely via some non-public number), put you on
the phone to confirm it's your account (details & security check etc),
then the shop bod reads out the new SIM number to associate it with your
account and mobile number. Also I'm pretty sure I just managed to get
them to hand over a new SIM in the shop and then I called up o2 customer
services later and associated that with my account & mobile number.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:43:55 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
Or get a replacement handset and SIM, and then carry on using your
existing mobile number. (o2 will happily hand out a replacement SIM at
one of their shops.)

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

Why would you have to to that? They just block the old SIM when they
replace it.

--
jhk

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:11:42 -0500
wrote:
Of course when (not if for most people) you lose your phone you'll be
completely screwed until you get a replacement and give everyone your new
number.

I've never had to get a new number when I've lost a phone. I just get a new
SIM on the existing number.

Fair enough. I've never lost a phone so I've not had to deal with all that.

B2003

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:13:32 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
On 14/06/2012 11:43, d wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100
Mizter wrote:
Or get a replacement handset and SIM, and then carry on using your
existing mobile number. (o2 will happily hand out a replacement SIM at
one of their shops.)

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

The number gets re-associated with the new SIM, so the old SIM becomes
useless.

The SIM might be useless but you could still have given away or sold 400 quids
worth of phone and then claimed you lost it and got a free replacement.
Even if they block the IMEI number most smartphones can still use wifi.

B2003

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:13:49 +0200
Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:43:55 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:32:40 +0100
Mizter T wrote:
Or get a replacement handset and SIM, and then carry on using your
existing mobile number. (o2 will happily hand out a replacement SIM at
one of their shops.)

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

Why would you have to to that? They just block the old SIM when they
replace it.

Cousin buys new SIM for phone you've "lost".

B2003

wrote:

How do you persuade the grunt at the desk that you really have lost it and
haven't just given it to your cousin as a hand-me-down?

Why should that matter? Mobile operators give out SIM cards for nowt all
the time. They are physically worth a couple of quid if that. You would
have to purchase the phone or claim on insurance. And the old one would be
blocked so useless anyway.

I can't imagine any questions being asked at all unless you did it every
other week.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.