In message , at 14:45:08
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Cambridge station is operated by the Greater Anglia franchise despite
most of the passengers using FCC.

There's life (and quite a lot of trains, few of which are FCC) north
of Cambridge, you know!

Do you have to be such a troll, Roland? The vast majority of Cambridge
passengers travel to and from London, mostly via the Kings cross route. The
only 12-car trains, for example, are towards London. Almost no trains North
of Cambridge are more than four cars, if that.

Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north of
Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day there's a
lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of trainsful of
commuters has headed for the smoke.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 14:45:08
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
The normal Off Peak Day Return has the same restriction from
Liverpool St. However, there's a Greater-Anglia-only off peak
Travelcard which has no evening blackout period.

Not any more. Evening peak restrictions only apply to GA Super-Off Peak
tickets, now available on weekdays, and not to Off-Peak tickets via the West
Anglia Route including Tottenham Hale.

There's conflicting information online. Journey planners suggest the
Off-Peak Day Return isn't valid in the evening peaks on either route,
but looking at the BRFARES site they say it's a B1 which doesn't have
any evening restrictions on either route (but I'm sure no-one thinks
they are valid from Kings Cross).

Meanwhile they seem to agree over the Off-peak period return, with an
evening blackout of 1628-1835 on both lines.
--
Roland Perry

On 23/10/2012 21:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:45:08
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Cambridge station is operated by the Greater Anglia franchise despite
most of the passengers using FCC.

There's life (and quite a lot of trains, few of which are FCC) north
of Cambridge, you know!

Do you have to be such a troll, Roland? The vast majority of Cambridge
passengers travel to and from London, mostly via the Kings cross
route. The
only 12-car trains, for example, are towards London. Almost no trains
North
of Cambridge are more than four cars, if that.

Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north of
Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day there's a
lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of trainsful of
commuters has headed for the smoke.

How many of these people are going to Nowhere-in-the-Fen and
Littleheardof St.Forgotten, and how many are turning left at Ely and
heading for the Midlands or (proper) North?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
14:45:08 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Cambridge station is operated by the Greater Anglia franchise despite
most of the passengers using FCC.

There's life (and quite a lot of trains, few of which are FCC) north
of Cambridge, you know!

Do you have to be such a troll, Roland? The vast majority of Cambridge
passengers travel to and from London, mostly via the Kings cross route.
The only 12-car trains, for example, are towards London. Almost no trains
North of Cambridge are more than four cars, if that.

Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north
of Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day
there's a lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of
trainsful of commuters has headed for the smoke.

Come off it, Roland! XC trains are never longer than three cars, sometimes
only two. At least half of all FCC trains to London are eight cars or more.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at
21:23:11 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Arthur Figgis
remarked:
Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north of
Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day there's a
lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of trainsful of
commuters has headed for the smoke.

How many of these people are going to Nowhere-in-the-Fen and
Littleheardof St.Forgotten, and how many are turning left at Ely and
heading for the Midlands or (proper) North?

Quite a few are heading for Ely, I was surprised how many people get
aboard southbound trains mid-morning or tip out mid afternoon. Of the
rest, the biggest flow is probably to Peterborough and beyond (on XC).
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 15:32:17
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north
of Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day
there's a lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of
trainsful of commuters has headed for the smoke.

Come off it, Roland! XC trains are never longer than three cars, sometimes
only two. At least half of all FCC trains to London are eight cars or more.

You don't seem to be taking much account of how full each train is. In
particular only the "Cruisers" have much in the way of southbound
patronage from Cambridge during the day. And half of one of those has
come from Kings Lynn and Ely.
--
Roland Perry

On 23/10/2012 21:44, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:32:17
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north
of Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day
there's a lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of
trainsful of commuters has headed for the smoke.

Come off it, Roland! XC trains are never longer than three cars,
sometimes
only two. At least half of all FCC trains to London are eight cars or
more.

You don't seem to be taking much account of how full each train is. In
particular only the "Cruisers" have much in the way of southbound
patronage from Cambridge during the day. And half of one of those has
come from Kings Lynn and Ely.

Western Europe's largest city in "more popular destination than
Shepreth" shock.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Oct 23, 9:22*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:

The normal Off Peak Day Return has the same restriction from
Liverpool St. However, there's a Greater-Anglia-only off peak
Travelcard which has no evening blackout period.

Not any more. Evening peak restrictions only apply to GA Super-Off Peak
tickets, now available on weekdays, and not to Off-Peak tickets via the West
Anglia Route including Tottenham Hale.

There's conflicting information online. Journey planners suggest the
Off-Peak Day Return isn't valid in the evening peaks on either route,
but looking at the BRFARES site they say it's a B1 which doesn't have
any evening restrictions on either route (but I'm sure no-one thinks
they are valid from Kings Cross).

I haven't looked anything up, but it sounds like you're both talking
at cross-purposes - you're talking about the *any permitted* Off-Peak
Day Returns, Colin's talking about the (cheaper) *GA-only* Off-Peak
Day Returns.


Meanwhile they seem to agree over the Off-peak period return, with an
evening blackout of 1628-1835 on both lines.

In article ,
lid (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

On 23/10/2012 21:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
14:45:08
on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Cambridge station is operated by the Greater Anglia franchise despite
most of the passengers using FCC.

There's life (and quite a lot of trains, few of which are FCC) north
of Cambridge, you know!

Do you have to be such a troll, Roland? The vast majority of Cambridge
passengers travel to and from London, mostly via the Kings cross route.
The only 12-car trains, for example, are towards London. Almost no
trains North of Cambridge are more than four cars, if that.

Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north of
Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day there's a
lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of trainsful of
commuters has headed for the smoke.

How many of these people are going to Nowhere-in-the-Fen and
Littleheardof St.Forgotten, and how many are turning left at Ely and
heading for the Midlands or (proper) North?

Mostly going to the city of Norwich or King's Lynn, Thetford and other East
Anglian towns, I expect.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
15:32:17 on Tue, 23 Oct 2012, remarked:
Just pointing out that not everything on the railway revolves around
FCC's handful of 12-car trains. The XC trains have been packed, north
of Cambridge, every time I've been on them, and during the day
there's a lot of passengers north of Cambridge once the couple of
trainsful of commuters has headed for the smoke.

Come off it, Roland! XC trains are never longer than three cars,
sometimes only two. At least half of all FCC trains to London are eight
cars or more.

You don't seem to be taking much account of how full each train is.
In particular only the "Cruisers" have much in the way of southbound
patronage from Cambridge during the day. And half of one of those has
come from Kings Lynn and Ely.

The 15:15 from the Cross today was pretty full. Only 4 cars though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel