wrote:

They're used like that all over europe (in plenty of cities with narrow streets
I might add) without the issues the cycling lobby and Boris claimed they had
in london. So either the europeans are all idiots or someone was telling
porkies to further their own agenda.

Many other European cities with them have better dedicated cycle
infrastructure rather than having them in bus lanes. Two types of vehicle
less compatible with one another are hard to imagine.

But the UK doesn't know how to do bus lanes. The Dutch and Germans get
that one right.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

In message , at 11:43:11 on Tue, 23 Jul
2013, d remarked:
I believe there are still hundreds of bendies slowly rotting away on
leasing company premises. What a waste of perfectly decent vehicles
that could be used to boost capacity on London routes which
desperately need it.

They could be usefully used on a few London routes, such as 25, but
not many. They're good on routes that are all three of:

* long
* mostly straight
* with lots of passengers

Putting them on twisty routes through a busy city centre was stupid.

They're used like that all over europe (in plenty of cities with narrow streets
I might add) without the issues the cycling lobby and Boris claimed they had
in london. So either the europeans are all idiots or someone was telling
porkies to further their own agenda.

Or those European cities don't have very many cyclists.
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Roland Perry

On 23 Jul 2013 12:23:05 GMT
Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

They're used like that all over europe (in plenty of cities with narrow
streets
I might add) without the issues the cycling lobby and Boris claimed they had
in london. So either the europeans are all idiots or someone was telling
porkies to further their own agenda.

Many other European cities with them have better dedicated cycle
infrastructure rather than having them in bus lanes. Two types of vehicle
less compatible with one another are hard to imagine.

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in how the
roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then they can put up or
shut up.

--
Spud

wrote:

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in how the
roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then they can put up or
shut up.

What a stupid statement, given that getting the cyclists out of your way
(as a driver or bus passenger) would also be to your benefit.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

Roland Perry wrote:

Or those European cities don't have very many cyclists.

Hamburg has plenty of cyclists and bendy buses, including "XXL" 3-section
ones. It also has appropriate infrastructure for both, which does not
generally include mixing cycles and buses other than when they both use
general traffic lanes.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

On 23 Jul 2013 14:19:50 GMT
Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in how
the
roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then they can put up
or
shut up.

What a stupid statement, given that getting the cyclists out of your way
(as a driver or bus passenger) would also be to your benefit.

They'd also be out of my way if they were on motorbikes. Perhaps we shouldn't
bother taxing and insuring those either then eh?

Cyclists pay sod all to use their bikes on the roads therefore their opinions
are irrelevant.

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Spud

wrote:

Cyclists pay sod all to use their bikes on the roads therefore their opinions
are irrelevant.

So you'd rather be stuck behind a cyclist in your car/on the bus because
the cyclist doesn't pay road tax, than to suck it up and get them off the
road meaning your car/bus journey is not delayed?

A motorcycle is different because it doesn't obstruct other traffic as it
both has high acceleration and a high top speed.

Have you perhaps never been to London and seen how much of a problem this
is for all road users?

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 13:43:17 +0000, spud-u-dont-like wrote:

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in
how the roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then
they can put up or shut up.

Since "paying road tax" is the important factor, do low-CO2 cars, older
cars, and disabled drivers somehow carry lower priority in your view?

On 23/07/2013 14:43, d wrote:
On 23 Jul 2013 12:23:05 GMT
Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

They're used like that all over europe (in plenty of cities with narrow
streets
I might add) without the issues the cycling lobby and Boris claimed they had
in london. So either the europeans are all idiots or someone was telling
porkies to further their own agenda.

Many other European cities with them have better dedicated cycle
infrastructure rather than having them in bus lanes. Two types of vehicle
less compatible with one another are hard to imagine.

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in how the
roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then they can put up or
shut up.

Maybe (conventional car driving) motorists should start paying road tax?

And surely the people who moan about road tax think cyclists ride on the
pavement, only venturing onto a road if there is an opportunity to go
through a red light or cross over to access an organic wind-powered
feminist vegetarian tree which needs hugging?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 23/07/2013 15:19, Neil Williams wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

Or those European cities don't have very many cyclists.

Hamburg has plenty of cyclists and bendy buses, including "XXL"
3-section ones. It also has appropriate infrastructure for both,
which does not generally include mixing cycles and buses other than
when they both use general traffic lanes.

Did Britain's mid-C20th contribution to urban regeneration in many
German cities perhaps lead to the laying out of more motor-friendly roads?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK