In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 09:06:16 on Wed, 24
Jul 2013, Adrian remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on their
cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've had
several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

That was puzzling me too. I have never paid VAT on a car but then I have
never bought a new car in nearly 40 years.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article , d
() wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:42:43 -0500 wrote:
In article ,
() wrote:

On 23 Jul 2013 12:23:05 GMT
Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

They're used like that all over europe (in plenty of cities with
narrow streets I might add) without the issues the cycling lobby and
Boris claimed they had in london. So either the europeans are all
idiots or someone was telling porkies to further their own agenda.

Many other European cities with them have better dedicated cycle
infrastructure rather than having them in bus lanes. Two types of
vehicle less compatible with one another are hard to imagine.

When cyclists pay road tax for their bikes then they can have a say in
how the roads are laid out and what they share them with. Until then
they can put up or shut up.

There has no such thing as road tax for decades. Many motor vehicles pay
no more than cycles to be put on the road.

Don't start the silly semantics ******** about road tax vs road fund
license. You have no choice than to pay it if you want to use your vehicle
on the road , ergo its a tax regardless of what cuddly fluffy name it
currently has.

There hasn't been any road fund licence for decades either. The renewal
reminder sitting in front of me says "tax disc".

I am fed up with potato heads assuming that cyclists don't also pay car
taxes.

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 09:06:16 on Wed, 24
Jul 2013, Adrian remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on their
cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've had
several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

That was puzzling me too. I have never paid VAT on a car but then I have
never bought a new car in nearly 40 years.

Have you never bought a second-hand car from a dealer?

In article
,
(Recliner) wrote:

wrote:
In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 09:06:16 on Wed, 24
Jul 2013, Adrian remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on
their cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've
had several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

That was puzzling me too. I have never paid VAT on a car but then I
have never bought a new car in nearly 40 years.

Have you never bought a second-hand car from a dealer?

No, come to think of it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

As far as I know, there are two ways of doing that legally. One is to export
the vehicle: VAT is not paid on exports. The other is to be VAT registered
which enables you to offset all the VAT you have paid in a tax year against
the VAT you have received from your customers/clients etc.

In message

, at 15:23:58 on Wed, 24 Jul 2013, Recliner
remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on their
cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've had
several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

That was puzzling me too. I have never paid VAT on a car but then I have
never bought a new car in nearly 40 years.

Have you never bought a second-hand car from a dealer?

Irrespective of where bought, the price of a secondhand car will include
an element of 'handing down' a portion of the VAT paid when it was new.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at 15:23:58 on Wed, 24 Jul 2013, Recliner remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on their
cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've had
several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

That was puzzling me too. I have never paid VAT on a car but then I have
never bought a new car in nearly 40 years.

Have you never bought a second-hand car from a dealer?

Irrespective of where bought, the price of a secondhand car will include
an element of 'handing down' a portion of the VAT paid when it was new.

Indeed, and in a sense, the second-hand price will reflect the current 20%
VAT rate, not the possibly lower rate levied on the car when t was new.

In message , at 06:51:19 on Thu, 25
Jul 2013, Robin9 remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority of
drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were new.-

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on

their
cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and I've had
several brand new cars.-

How did you manage that?

As far as I know, there are two ways of doing that legally. One is to

export
the vehicle: VAT is not paid on exports. The other is to be VAT

registered
which enables you to offset all the VAT you have paid in a tax year

against
the VAT you have received from your customers/clients etc.


"When you buy a car you generally can't reclaim the VAT."

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/...g/motoring.htm

Perhaps the OP runs a driving school, in which case his comment wasn't
very useful to the rest of us.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:25:04 -0500
wrote:
In article , d
() wrote:
Don't start the silly semantics ******** about road tax vs road fund
license. You have no choice than to pay it if you want to use your vehicle
on the road , ergo its a tax regardless of what cuddly fluffy name it
currently has.

There hasn't been any road fund licence for decades either. The renewal
reminder sitting in front of me says "tax disc".

Let me know when you're finished playing semantics there's a good chap.

I am fed up with potato heads assuming that cyclists don't also pay car
taxes.

I don't give a flying **** if you already pay for a car. You DONT pay for
your bike. Perhaps I should use that same logic with the DVLA - "Hey, I
already pay for one car, why should I have to pay for the other, I can only
drive one at a time!"

You moron.

--
Spud

In article
,
(Recliner) wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message

,
at 15:23:58 on Wed, 24 Jul 2013, Recliner
remarked:
And unless there are lots of bikes costing £5k, then the majority
of drivers paid more VAT than the cyclists, when the items were
new.

I'd suggest that the vast majority of drivers paid no VAT at all on
their cars. I've certainly never paid VAT on a car purchase - and
I've had several brand new cars.

How did you manage that?

That was puzzling me too. I have never paid VAT on a car but then I
have never bought a new car in nearly 40 years.

Have you never bought a second-hand car from a dealer?

Irrespective of where bought, the price of a secondhand car will include
an element of 'handing down' a portion of the VAT paid when it was new.

Indeed, and in a sense, the second-hand price will reflect the current 20%
VAT rate, not the possibly lower rate levied on the car when t was new.

Not really in my price range. My current car is a T reg.

--
Colin Rosenstiel