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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 02:38:02PM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:26:10 +0000, David Cantrell wrote: Things get more complicated because my father is a BR pensioner, so they both get priv rate travel on the tube. I'm guessing that that won't be available via ticket machines! I see no reason it should not be. Given how seldom tickets will actually be inspected by real people, I assume that the risk of revenue loss would be too great. Priv rate tickets are quarter price IIRC. Furthermore, the number of legitimate users of such tickets is minute. TfL staff/families/pensioners get staff Oyster cards IIRC. I don't think current TOC staff are eligible unless they are one of the few left who used to work for BR. So it's only a handful of ex-BR TOC staff, and BR pensioners, who qualify. Not enough legitimate users to make the risk of fare evasion worth it, I'd think. I expect that my parents will have to apply via BR Pensions for some kind of Oyster card if they want to keep their cheap tube travel. I doubt they'll think it worth the bother though, given that most of their journeys in London are merely as part of a cross-London train journey and so already paid for at a NR station ticket office. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" All children should be aptitude-tested at an early age and, if their main or only aptitude is for marketing, drowned. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
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Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:10:43 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: Given how seldom tickets will actually be inspected by real people, I assume that the risk of revenue loss would be too great. Priv rate tickets are quarter price IIRC. Or you have barriers reject them, so they would be subject to a manual barrier check. Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On 27/11/2013 21:17, Paul Corfield wrote:
I believe it is the case that TOC staff do receive privilege rate travel on NR and foreign railways after a qualifying period. I think it is also the case that some TOCs have reciprocal arrangements with TfL for priv travel on LU regardless of how long the employee has worked for the TOC - i.e. not an issue dating back to BR times. Friends who joined TOCs (but not AIUI Network Rail; and I don't know anyone at a freight or open access company) post-privatisation seem to get FIP boxes, but it seems to be only used by people who are "in the know", rather than something absolutely everyone uses. (as in, many people don't actually know about it, rather than just because they are the kind of weird people who don't spend their holidays bashing foreign railways) -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On 30/11/2013 20:44, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 27/11/2013 21:17, Paul Corfield wrote: I believe it is the case that TOC staff do receive privilege rate travel on NR and foreign railways after a qualifying period. I think it is also the case that some TOCs have reciprocal arrangements with TfL for priv travel on LU regardless of how long the employee has worked for the TOC - i.e. not an issue dating back to BR times. Friends who joined TOCs (but not AIUI Network Rail; and I don't know anyone at a freight or open access company) post-privatisation seem to get FIP boxes, but it seems to be only used by people who are "in the know", rather than something absolutely everyone uses. (as in, many people don't actually know about it, rather than just because they are the kind of weird people who don't spend their holidays bashing foreign railways) Possibly not promoted to staff because it costs the TOC money? |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
On 01/12/2013 18:18, Mizter T wrote:
On 30/11/2013 20:44, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 27/11/2013 21:17, Paul Corfield wrote: I believe it is the case that TOC staff do receive privilege rate travel on NR and foreign railways after a qualifying period. I think it is also the case that some TOCs have reciprocal arrangements with TfL for priv travel on LU regardless of how long the employee has worked for the TOC - i.e. not an issue dating back to BR times. Friends who joined TOCs (but not AIUI Network Rail; and I don't know anyone at a freight or open access company) post-privatisation seem to get FIP boxes, but it seems to be only used by people who are "in the know", rather than something absolutely everyone uses. (as in, many people don't actually know about it, rather than just because they are the kind of weird people who don't spend their holidays bashing foreign railways) Possibly not promoted to staff because it costs the TOC money? Does it? Obviously there is the admin, but it surely can't be that expensive and probably can't easily be got rid of because of the assorted international agreements. I assume the losses from foreign railwaymen riding up and down on peak trains for free can't be all that great. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On 30/11/2013 20:44, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 27/11/2013 21:17, Paul Corfield wrote: I believe it is the case that TOC staff do receive privilege rate travel on NR and foreign railways after a qualifying period. I think it is also the case that some TOCs have reciprocal arrangements with TfL for priv travel on LU regardless of how long the employee has worked for the TOC - i.e. not an issue dating back to BR times. Friends who joined TOCs (but not AIUI Network Rail; and I don't know anyone at a freight or open access company) post-privatisation seem to get FIP boxes, but it seems to be only used by people who are "in the know", rather than something absolutely everyone uses. (as in, many people don't actually know about it, rather than just because they are the kind of weird people who don't spend their holidays bashing foreign railways) Possibly not promoted to staff because it costs the TOC money? Isn't that what joining the union is for? tim |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
Theo Markettos writes:
Neil Williams wrote: In most other countries I expect they would be unavailable and it would just be a "tourist tax". Or a city tax would be charged on hotel rooms and a free ticket issued for everyone staying. I wonder if, say, a £3 per day flat-rate fee on hotel rooms and give everyone a free Z1-2 travelcard would do the trick - not everyone will use it but it solves the problem for the rest. You are assuming everyone staying in a hotel is an occasional tourist. Many are regular visitors who, like me, already have an oyster card and stay overnight after a concert or a show. They will not take kindly to having to pay again for public transport. Phil |
Proposal - every Tube ticket office to close by 2015
In message , at 19:44:35 on Mon, 2 Dec 2013,
Phil remarked: In most other countries I expect they would be unavailable and it would just be a "tourist tax". Or a city tax would be charged on hotel rooms and a free ticket issued for everyone staying. I wonder if, say, a £3 per day flat-rate fee on hotel rooms and give everyone a free Z1-2 travelcard would do the trick - not everyone will use it but it solves the problem for the rest. You are assuming everyone staying in a hotel is an occasional tourist. Many are regular visitors who, like me, already have an oyster card and stay overnight after a concert or a show. They will not take kindly to having to pay again for public transport. And in another place: "The 24-hour tube will boost weekend departures from Heathrow and hit companies selling holiday 'add-ons', claims an operator. Proposals for a 24-hour Tube service on Friday and Saturday nights from 2015 was announced by Transport for London last month. But loveholidays.com claims 'extras' like airport parking or overnight hotels are likely to suffer, as demand will drop. It also believes that Heathrow will become the preferred airport for passengers, as it is the only London/South East airport on a Tube line. Al Francis from loveholidays.com says: "People will be more willing to take flights at 'unsociable' times because the 24-hour Tube service will mean it will be easier to get across London to and from the airport. "The losers will be 'holiday extras'. With a 24-hour Tube service, people are less likely to need airport parking or book an airport hotel." -- Roland Perry |
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