This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is
suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from
LST/KGX to MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Which journey planner?

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is
suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains
from LST/KGX to MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.

Why not just walk from Liverpool St to Moorgate? I was going to.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 12:03:25
on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked:
This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Which journey planner?

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is
suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains
from LST/KGX to MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.

Why not just walk from Liverpool St to Moorgate? I was going to.

I will, but I'm boggled by the incompetence of the journey planner.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
12:03:25 on Thu, 26 Jun 2014, remarked:
This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Which journey planner?

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is
suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains
from LST/KGX to MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.

Why not just walk from Liverpool St to Moorgate? I was going to.

I will, but I'm boggled by the incompetence of the journey planner.

Now I know it's NRE's I'm not.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended,
otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to
MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.
--
Roland Perry

Yet another pointless attempt to break the system. Any normal traveller uses
the journey planner to find train times from Cambridge to London, sees the
best option is to Kings Cross, and checks a tube map to see that from there
it is 3 stops to Moorgate (Northern or Met/Circle as you prefer). If you
want more info TfL's planner tells you its 6 minutes either route and fine
on Sunday.

In message , at 21:19:49 on Thu, 26 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is suspended,
otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from LST/KGX to
MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.

Yet another pointless attempt

It's not pointless at all. I have a very specific journey to make at a
rather inconvenient (for the timetabling) time of day.

to break the system.

There's absolutely no reason why such a simply journey should break it.

Any normal traveller uses the journey planner to find train times from
Cambridge to London,

Two searches, because NRES doesn't do "London Terminals".

sees the best option is to Kings Cross,

It's using services very early on a Sunday when not only are there no
trains yet out of bed at my home station (Ely), but it's not at all
obvious which route will be the best to London from Cambridge [partly
due to ongoing engineering works just outside Kings Cross].

and checks a tube map to see that from there it is 3 stops to Moorgate
(Northern or Met/Circle as you prefer).

Except it might be better (if the train times lined up) to change at
Tottenham Hale. This isn't the middle of a weekday with a choice of
trains every fifteen minutes[1] and in effect a turn-up-and-go service;
it's a collection of stoppers about an hour apart and one missed
connection could throw the whole day's outing into chaos.

If you want more info TfL's planner tells you its 6 minutes either
route and fine on Sunday.

What's wrong with expecting the official one-stop-shop journey planner
to give me the right answer?

[1] From Cambridge. But there are from Stansted Airport, even that hour
on a Sunday; so it's quite possible the best route into London will
involve one of those.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 21:19:49 on Thu, 26 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

SNIP
What's wrong with expecting the official one-stop-shop journey planner to
give me the right answer?

--
Roland Perry

The National Rail Enquiries journey planner mostly works fine for rail
journies through London requiring a tube connection between two national
rail stations. It rarely gives the easiest (or even a sensible) route if you
specify a national rail destination in London for which the best option is a
rail journey to another rail station followed by the tube. I have no idea if
this is a fault or by design (assuming that if you specify a national rail
destination you want to arrive at it by national rail). I have never
expected to use it in the way you describe any more than I would expect it
to tell me the correct use of a bus in some other city when completing a
journey by national rail is possible but not a sensible option.

In message , at 21:35:41 on Fri, 27 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:

The National Rail Enquiries journey planner mostly works fine for rail
journies through London requiring a tube connection between two national
rail stations. It rarely gives the easiest (or even a sensible) route if you
specify a national rail destination in London for which the best option is a
rail journey to another rail station followed by the tube.

If you ask it for trips from Stansted Airport to Kings Cross it will
default to a train plus change to the tube at Tottenham Hale. Or
Cambridge to Liverpool St where two of the hourly suggestions is to go
via Kings Cross and tube.

And I'm familiar with both of these appearing in results.

On a weekday it happily suggests Cambridge-Moorgate via a change at
Finsbury Park, but the latter NR service doesn't run on Sundays.

I have no idea if this is a fault or by design (assuming that if you
specify a national rail destination you want to arrive at it by
national rail).

The problem with my Sunday journey to Moorgate might be the existence of
"Moorgate Und 0645 ZMG" in addition to "Moorgate 6005 MOG", and
unfortunately the NRES planner doesn't recognise the former as a
destination.

Which I suspect is a fault rather than 'design'. Especially given the
alleged inter-availability of "London Terminals" tickets to Moorgate on
both NR and on the Circle.

I have never expected to use it in the way you describe any more than I
would expect it to tell me the correct use of a bus in some other city
when completing a journey by national rail is possible but not a
sensible option.

Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations
available. Try Holborn for example:

Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05
Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 21:35:41 on Fri, 27 Jun
2014, MikeS remarked:

SNIP.

Despite your misgivings, it does have numerous tube-only destinations
available. Try Holborn for example:

Train 10:15 Cambridge [CBG] London Kings Cross [KGX] 11:05
Tube 11:20 London Kings Cross [KGX] Holborn London Und 11:24
--
Roland Perry

As already explained the problems mostly arise when you specify a final
destination which has *both* tube and national rail services - as in your
original complaint about the suggested routes to Moorgate. It always pays to
think (and read) before you post ...

In message , at 16:20:33 on
Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Paul Corfield remarked:
This Sunday, for the C-stock railtour:

Train 07:32 Cambridge [CBG] London Liverpool St [LST] 08:43
Walk 08:58 London L'pool St [LST] London Fenchurch St [FST] 09:02
Train 09:10 London Fenchurch St [FST] Limehouse [LHS] 09:14
Tube&DLR 09:19 Limehouse [LHS] Moorgate [MOG] 09:35

Alternatively:

Train 07:28 Cambridge [CBG] * Finsbury Park [FPK] 08:22
Tube 08:27 Finsbury Park [FPK] Highbury & Islington [HHY] 08:45
Train 08:51 Highbury & Islington [HHY] Shadwell [SDE] 09:06
Tube&DLR 09:11 Shadwell [SDE] Moorgate [MOG] 09:25

Does this indicate that the normal service on the Circle/H&C is
suspended, otherwise why wouldn't they just show connecting trains from
LST/KGX to MOG?

* Train to Kings Cross.

I suspect it has got its knickers in a twist.

The TfL weekly E mail does not say there is any engineering work on
the tube on the Sub Surface lines through Kings Cross. Only the Met
is affected out at Amersham which has no relevance to your journey.
The Picc and Vic are not affected through F Park.

However there is a reduced National Rail service between F Park and KX
on Sunday

That's the Thameslink junction commissioning again I suppose.

The obvious suggestion is LST and walk (it's half as far as Fenchurch
St!)

Actually, the 4 mins LST-FST is completely wrong, it's 11 minutes.

and Thameslink also seems to be suspended across the central
area. It looks like Journey Planner is trying v hard to send you via
National Rail lines and only resorting to the tube as a last resort.

Not really, the second route has only one National Rail leg versus three
TFL, in London.

Of course, an even sillier thing is that it says you can do those trips
using just one ticket (Cambridge to London Terminals), which I very much
doubt.
--
Roland Perry