S-Bahn
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:13:00 +0100, Klaus von der Heyde wrote:

According to some sources, "S-Bahn" originated as "Stadtbahn", though.

This makes some sense in connection with the current set of Zuggattungen;
the StadtExpress is a city heavy-rail service which forms part of the
city's Taktfahrplan, but is generally operated using conventional mainline
stock on non-segregated lines (and normally stops less frequently and runs
a bit faster).

Neil

Queenstown Road
 

Because of divided loyalties, that's why the E.U., like all other forced
associations will ultimately fail.



Oh, I don't know - the UK seems to have coped fine with its own divisions,
and shows no signs of disintigrating as yet...

Jonn

That's just the point, Jonn: the U.K. is a UNITED Kingdom, whereas Europe is
neither a country nor united in any meaningful way.

Marc.

Queenstown Road
 

Having got onto this topic perhaps someone can help me out. The Tories are
against closer integration into Europe claiming loss of sovereignty etc. If
that is really the case why are they also against returning sovereignty to
Scotland and Wales?




Because that will weaken the UNITED Kingdom as an entity. United we stand,
divided we fall.

Marc.

Queenstown Road
 

Having got onto this topic perhaps someone can help me out. The Tories are
against closer integration into Europe claiming loss of sovereignty etc.
If
that is really the case why are they also against returning sovereignty to
Scotland and Wales?


I'd guess it's because they're Conservatives, e.g. content with the status
quo. This includes the unwritten constitution which centralizes all power in
the Crown, and therefore in the government at Westminster. Therefore moving
power to Edinburgh is just as offensive as moving power to Brussels -
because it detracts from the Sovreignty of Parliament.

Jonn



Nicely put, Jonn, although I personally find power being sent to Brussels as
FAR more offensive than power being sent to Edinburgh or Cardiff. Personally, I
see no problem with the English being governed largely by Scottish M.P.s in the
Cabinet (as is the position now) since they are nominally loyal to the Crown.
Also, I have some theoretical chance of getting rid of them if I don't like
them.

With the cabal in Strasbourg, there is neither a theoretical nor practical
prospect of ever removing them, since the majority come from other countries,
of whose electorate none of us in the U.K. can ever be part.

Marc.

Queenstown Road
 

But the Scots (notionally anyway) chose to give up their sovereignty to the
English Parliament and become part of the United Kingdom. So what's wrong
with returning it to them?



Because we will all be the weaker for it. The weaker you make the United
Kingdom, the more divisions that are created, the more ripe we are for
domination by others, such as the E.U. or other hostile bodies.

Personally, I find the idea of an English parliament just as abhorrent as a
Scottish or Welsh one. The small price we pay for having a single Parliament is
a theoretical loss of sovereignty to the Scots or Welsh, but the benefits we
all enjoy from being united are, for example, shown by the ability to withstand
foreign invasion, and freedom of movement within the U.K. Cross-subsidy is
another benefit.

Marc.

Marc.

Queenstown Road
 

S-Bahn, was Queenstown Road
 

In article , (John Rowland) wrote:

(Apologies to everyone else for lowering the tone of the group, but
it had to be said.)

Had to? If you feel an unconquerable compulsion to post abusively, I am
sure that you can get help.


--
Peter Beale

Peter Beale (was S-Bahn, was Queenstown Road)
 

"Peter Beale" wrote in message
o.uk...
In article ,
(John Rowland) wrote:

(Apologies to everyone else for lowering the tone
of the group, but it had to be said.)

Had to? If you feel an unconquerable compulsion
to post abusively, I am sure that you can get help.

You sit by your computer every day just waiting for someone to get something
wrong so you can correct them. At least 95% of your posts consist of
correcting people - I counted a few months ago. Very rarely can you be
bothered to answer anyone's questions, even though you clearly do know the
answers because you can always be guaranteed to correct miniscule and
irrelevant errors in the people who do bother to answer questions.

If everyone was like you, there would be no answers here, so you are a
parasite riding on the back of what everyone else is trying to do here. You
are the abusive one.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

S-Bahn
 

Neil Williams wrote:

This makes some sense in connection with the current set of Zuggattungen;
the StadtExpress is a city heavy-rail service which forms part of the
city's Taktfahrplan, but is generally operated using conventional mainline
stock on non-segregated lines (and normally stops less frequently and runs
a bit faster).

StadtExpress was introduced in the 1980s and given up again in
the 1990s.

The term "S-Bahn" was introduced in Berlin around 1930 for the
"Stadt-, Ring- und Vorortbahn" which stands for the parts of the
system (Stadtbahn is the east - west line, Ringbahn is the ring
around the inner city and Vorortbahn are the radial lines).

If you want to form "pairs" of 1980s/90s train types, you could
take

S-Bahn - StadtExpress ... right.
Regionalbahn - RegionalExpress ... right.
InterRegio - InterRegioExpress ... wrong; here it goes the other
way round: IRE are IR operated by Regio and partly with regional
rolling stock. Slower, more stops, no bistro ...
InterCity - InterCityExpress ... right again.
EuroCity - EuroCityExpress ... you can find ECE in some train
type listings but no train of that type has ever been introduced
anywhere.

It would be nice to have a paneuropean brand for international
high speed trains (ideally with some minimum standards for
punctuality, seating, catering ... or even a compatible fare
system), but currently it seems that each line gets its own
name and fare system, which makes it difficult to combine them
on longer journeys and leads to open questions such as "If I
miss my Thalys because my ICE is late, can I take the next one
with the same ticket or do I have to go anywhere to change it
first?"

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Peter Beale (was S-Bahn, was Queenstown Road)
 

John Rowland wrote:
"Peter Beale" wrote in message
o.uk...
In article ,
(John Rowland) wrote:

(Apologies to everyone else for lowering the tone
of the group, but it had to be said.)

Had to? If you feel an unconquerable compulsion
to post abusively, I am sure that you can get help.

You sit by your computer every day just waiting for someone to get
something wrong so you can correct them. At least 95% of your posts
consist of correcting people - I counted a few months ago. Very
rarely can you be bothered to answer anyone's questions, even though
you clearly do know the answers because you can always be guaranteed
to correct miniscule and irrelevant errors in the people who do
bother to answer questions.

If everyone was like you, there would be no answers here, so you are a
parasite riding on the back of what everyone else is trying to do
here. You are the abusive one.

That's well out of order, John. Peter has contributed facts and
opinions in the last few weeks in the threads on Road classification,
Double-deck Crossrail, What's the quickest way, Bus route numbering,
Queenstown Road. Yes, there are also flashes of pedantry, but that's
hardly unusual in this NG. To describe his posts as parasitic and
abusive is absurd. I hope you'll have the good sense to apologise.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)