"Overground Network" - just how stupid do the operators (whoever
they happen to be this week, as opposed to last week and next
week) think we are. And, are spening MONEY on this idiocy!

Except that ON is actually a TfL initiative that has been foisted upon
the train operators in some parts of the capital.

In which case, even more idiotic, and another legacy of the fools that
vote for having a Mayor of London and all the munificence that this
has brought.

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to
distinguish between the Underground and overground?!

As you almost certainly know, the point of ON is not to distinguish it
from the London Underground, but to show that the station has at
least 4 trains per hour to / from central London (i.e. that it has a
'metro' service, much like the Underground - hence the name). This
is very useful to me because when I'm at a station and I can see the
ON logo I know that I won't be standing at the station for 30 minutes
waiting for a train. If I don't see the logo I will check the timetables
and if necessary take a bus to a different station.

I for one think it's a very good idea from the Greater London Authority,
and it is one of the many reasons that I will be voting for Ken in the
upcoming elections.


Matt Ashby

www.fornogoodreason.org.uk

"Overground Network" - just how stupid do the operators (whoever
they happen to be this week, as opposed to last week and next
week) think we are. And, are spening MONEY on this idiocy!

Except that ON is actually a TfL initiative that has been foisted upon
the train operators in some parts of the capital.

In which case, even more idiotic, and another legacy of the fools that
vote for having a Mayor of London and all the munificence that this
has brought.

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to
distinguish between the Underground and overground?!

As you almost certainly know, the point of ON is not to distinguish it
from the London Underground, but to show that the station has at
least 4 trains per hour to / from central London (i.e. that it has a
'metro' service, much like the Underground - hence the name). This
is very useful to me because when I'm at a station and I can see the
ON logo I know that I won't be standing at the station for 30 minutes
waiting for a train. If I don't see the logo I will check the timetables
and if necessary take a bus to a different station.

I for one think it's a very good idea from the Greater London Authority,
and it is one of the many reasons that I will be voting for Ken in the
upcoming elections.


Matt Ashby

Well, Matt, unlike Ken's normal quest for personal publicity (I expect to see
his mugshot on the new hackney carriage plates ....), this "ON" thing must have
been the best-kept secret of the decade: until this thread started, and I
mentioned my dislike of the logo, whose purpose I had no idea whatsoever, I had
not heard of this "metro" idea. I travel fairly often from Waterloo to Clapham
Junction, and as a railway enthusiast I am always on the look-out for new
leaflets etc., and NOWHERE have I seen a single mention of this new idea!

Despite everything that has been said, I still strongly dispute that there are
4 trains per hour from Waterloo to Wandsworth Town in the evening peak period.

Although I despise Ken and everything he stands for (except his failed attempt
to prevent privatisation of the Underground), credit where credit is due: his
sheer stickability and tenacity has to be admired. He will probably win the
next elections by sheer stealth - even a dyed-in-the-wool Tory like me wouldn't
touch Steven Norris with a barge pole!

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...
Although I despise Ken and everything he stands for (except his failed
attempt
to prevent privatisation of the Underground), credit where credit is due:
his
sheer stickability and tenacity has to be admired. He will probably win
the
next elections by sheer stealth - even a dyed-in-the-wool Tory like me
wouldn't
touch Steven Norris with a barge pole!


I'm intrigued. Livingstone stands for improving public transport. You claim
to be a railway enthusiast so by extension more pro public transport in
general than anti. Why are you against Livingstone's efforts to improve
public transport?

Mait001" wrote in message
...
Although I despise Ken and everything he stands for (except his failed
attempt
to prevent privatisation of the Underground), credit where credit is due:
his
sheer stickability and tenacity has to be admired. He will probably win
the
next elections by sheer stealth - even a dyed-in-the-wool Tory like me
wouldn't
touch Steven Norris with a barge pole!


I'm intrigued. Livingstone stands for improving public transport. You claim
to be a railway enthusiast so by extension more pro public transport in
general than anti. Why are you against Livingstone's efforts to improve
public transport?



I am in favour of whatever attempts there are to improve public transport - as
I made clear in saying that I supported Ken's attempts to prevent Underground
privatisation.

As for other plans, I oppose congestion charging on principle (I pay taexes to
drive on The Queen's Highway and fundamentally object to paying Ken for the
right to do so), but do support generally public transport improvements. And, I
credit Ken, from his G.L.C. days, with introducing the Travelcard, which is
superb. The Oyster I don't even understand, however, and one-day tickets (which
I need to buy because my travel varies from day to day and at short notice)
aren't even included.

Ken said he'd keep the Routemaster: that was a lie, and within 6 months or so,
there will be none left. I think articulated buses in crowded streets are a
crazy idea.

But my fundamental objection to Ken is all the other panoply of Left-wing
nonsense he foisted (as G.L.C. Leader) and now foists on us, such as his
ridiculous event held during Bush's State Visit, and all the other minority
groups he funded and funds. As someone who remembers the bad old days of the
G.L.C. and I.L.E.A., I find it ironic that Ken has any responsibility for the
Police whatseover - in those days the Police were forbidden from entering
I.L.E.A. schools because they were seen as Right-wing forces of capitalism
which were in danger of corrupting young minds against the forces of good (i.e.
the G.L.C. and I.L.E.A.).

In fact I fundamentally object to having a Mayor at all. We don't need one, or
an Assembly. An overall director of transport strategy etc., with an elected
transport authority if necessary, yes, but not all of the surrounding panoply
housed in that monstrously ugly building near Tower Bridge.

Marc.

In message , Mait001
writes

Despite everything that has been said, I still strongly dispute that there are
4 trains per hour from Waterloo to Wandsworth Town in the evening peak period.

There aren't four - there are six per hour!

17.02 18.02 (Kingston via Richmond)
17.17 18.17 (Shepperton via Richmond)
17.24 18.24 (Weybridge via Hounslow loop)
17.33 18.34 (Kingston via Richmond)
17.47 18.47 (Shepperton via Richmond)
17.54 18.54 (Weybridge via Hounslow loop)

Are you sure you aren't limiting yourself to just one of these three
routes between Waterloo and Wandsworth Town?

--
Paul Terry

Despite everything that has been said, I still strongly dispute that there
are
4 trains per hour from Waterloo to Wandsworth Town in the evening peak
period.

There aren't four - there are six per hour!

17.02 18.02 (Kingston via Richmond)
17.17 18.17 (Shepperton via Richmond)
17.24 18.24 (Weybridge via Hounslow loop)
17.33 18.34 (Kingston via Richmond)
17.47 18.47 (Shepperton via Richmond)
17.54 18.54 (Weybridge via Hounslow loop)

Are you sure you aren't limiting yourself to just one of these three
routes between Waterloo and Wandsworth Town?

--
Paul Terry

My normal travel time is a bit later: I'd like to know how many trains are
timetabled between 7 and 8p.m.

Marc.

On 11 Feb 2004 14:29:03 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

[Waterloo to Wandsworth Town]

My normal travel time is a bit later: I'd like to know how many trains are
timetabled between 7 and 8p.m.

QJump shows the following:

Waterloo dep 1902 1916 1917 1932 1945 1947
Wandsworth Town arr 1914 2013 1929 1944 2043 1959

HTH,

Barry

--
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DISCLAIMER: The above comments do not necessarily represent the
views of my employers.

Barry Salter wrote:
On 11 Feb 2004 14:29:03 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

[Waterloo to Wandsworth Town]

My normal travel time is a bit later: I'd like to know how many
trains are timetabled between 7 and 8p.m.

QJump shows the following:

Waterloo dep 1902 1916 1917 1932 1945 1947
Wandsworth Town arr 1914 2013 1929 1944 2043 1959

The inclusion of the 1916 and 1945 departures is odd, except possibly as
a fallback if other trains are cancelled. They take ages to get to
Wandsworth Town because they are Waterloo-to-Waterloo services that stop
at Wandsworth Town on the way *back* to Waterloo, having been routed via
Wimbledon, Kingston and Richmond.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

QJump shows the following:

Waterloo dep 1902 1916 1917 1932 1945 1947
Wandsworth Town arr 1914 2013 1929 1944 2043 1959

HTH,

Barry


Thanks, Barry!

Marc.

In message , Mait001
writes

Despite everything that has been said, I still strongly dispute that
there are 4 trains per hour from Waterloo to Wandsworth Town in the
evening peak period.

I wrote:

There aren't four - there are six per hour!

My normal travel time is a bit later: I'd like to know how many trains are
timetabled between 7 and 8p.m.

That's fine, but the evening peak period is generally considered to end
at 7pm, so you are now making a different point to the one you made
before, which was about peak-time travel.

After the peak, instead of 6 trains an hour, you are back to the normal
off-peak frequency of four trains an hour for ON stations, in this case
at 15-minute intervals:

19:02, 19:17, 19:32 and 19:47

The timetable is on the web at:

http://www.swtrains.co.uk/traintimes...3/ITT15s03.pdf

While I can believe that delays or cancellations could be more likely
after the rush hour has finished, I have been keeping an eye on the SWT
website for Wandsworth Town services, and the only disruption I have
seen is the odd 2-minute delay on the occasional service. Most trains
seem to be running on time at their appointed 15-minute intervals.

--
Paul Terry