Paul Corfield wrote in
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But capping will work against the LT Card price and not One Day
Travelcards. It cannot work to ODTC prices and validity because there
would have to be validators / gates at every National Rail station in
the zonal area. These don't exist so therefore if you lived in an area
exclusively served by NR trains you would have no way in which to
register your trips and therefore contribute to your daily total of
rides that would be capped at the One Day Travelcard price.

It took me a long time to "click" that the LT Card price would be
trigger for the daily cap and not the One Day Travelcard.


I hope this isn't right! If you are going to have capping it has to work
properly - and include converting to a one day bus pass, off-peak
travelcard, etc etc. The One Day LT Card (only cost effective for tube
only users starting a tube journey before 09:30 from Zones 5 or 6 through
to zone 1 who don't have a period travelcard) must be one of the less
frequently used tickets!


If however, the one day travelcard (or hatting, or whatever you called
it, no, it wasn't so posh - capping, yes, that's it) mechanism were in
place, after a few people had entered, you're all now effectively
sharing a one day travelcard for the rest of the day. Or is there some
restriction on multiple entries that might have to swing into place
when this bonneting scheme occurs?

You cannot transfer a One Day Travelcard between users. Neither can you
transfer an Oyster card that has both Travelcard and Pre-Pay validity
on it. Therefore your example is not permitted - each traveller would
have to have an individual card.

A pre-pay only card is transferrable (but obviously not for use on the same
journey). Somebody can use the card for a trip in the morning and somebody
else (presumably) in the same household in the afternoon. When capping
starts this becomes a legitimately transferrable one day travelcard. The
benefit for TfL is that people will not drop it outside the station at the
end of their journey!

David

On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:48:50 +0000 (UTC), David Jackman
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote in
:


But capping will work against the LT Card price and not One Day
Travelcards.

I hope this isn't right! If you are going to have capping it has to work
properly - and include converting to a one day bus pass, off-peak
travelcard, etc etc. The One Day LT Card (only cost effective for tube
only users starting a tube journey before 09:30 from Zones 5 or 6 through
to zone 1 who don't have a period travelcard) must be one of the less
frequently used tickets!

I think you will find it is right. I was involved in a long and
detailed discussion on another group and I got myself tied up in all
sorts of logical knots trying to work out how someone from Bromley North
or South Croydon or Norbiton (all ungated NR Stns) would record their NR
trips on their Oyster Card to allow capping to work in the context of
replicating One Day Travelcard validity. I eventually concluded that

(a) someone at TfL has got the spec wrong because NR stations aren't
being equipped with some form of pre-pay validation or
(b) that the current scheme cannot and will not work on the vast
majority of NR lines in London because there is no validation.

The next step back in validity terms is the LT Card because it covers
all TfL direct services plus those limited stretches of interavailable
NR Lines. This therefore helps to explain the push by TfL to expand the
number and range of interavailable NR services (linked partly to the
Overground Network branding).

Although there has not been an official announcement I met someone from
Prestige who confirmed that the LT card pricing and validity would be
used for capping purposes.

You cannot transfer a One Day Travelcard between users. Neither can you
transfer an Oyster card that has both Travelcard and Pre-Pay validity
on it. Therefore your example is not permitted - each traveller would
have to have an individual card.

A pre-pay only card is transferrable (but obviously not for use on the same
journey). Somebody can use the card for a trip in the morning and somebody
else (presumably) in the same household in the afternoon. When capping
starts this becomes a legitimately transferrable one day travelcard. The
benefit for TfL is that people will not drop it outside the station at the
end of their journey!

While I see the benefit in hopefully limiting reselling to touts (who
I'd quite like to see rendered incapable of touting anything for the
remainder of their lives) I think there could be some very interesting
conditions of carriage issues over such a ticket. The TOCs may also have
some things to say about it too! Perhaps why it (capping) is limited to
TfL services in the main?


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Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!