On 06.02.15 9:39, Optimist wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:23:17 +0000, The Real Doctor wrote:

On 05/02/15 22:37, wrote:
This should be interesting.

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...ndon-underline

Only the Guardian ...

"Stretches of vacant tunnel remain at Goodge Street and Stockwell, for
example, remnants of a bizarre second world war plan to connect deep
bomb shelters into an express connection running parallel with the
Northern Line."

Ian

Are the disused Mail Rail tunnels suitable for this, or are they too small?

Too small, I would think.

And isn't there talk of reactivating Mail Rail for some other purpose?

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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:46:48 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 06/02/2015 09:23, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 05/02/15 22:37, wrote:
This should be interesting.


http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...d-tube-tunnels
london-underline


Only the Guardian ...

"Stretches of vacant tunnel remain at Goodge Street and Stockwell, for
example, remnants of a bizarre second world war plan to connect deep
bomb shelters into an express connection running parallel with the
Northern Line."


Nothing like getting the facts totally mangled.

Well it is The Guardian. If you want facts rather than guesswork and uneducated
opinion then its the wrong paper.

Looks like Subterranea Britannica

"The Bombings of 1940 forced a reappraisal of deep-shelter policy and at
the end of October the Government decided to construct a system of deep
shelters linked to existing tube stations. London Transport was consulted
about the sites and required to build the tunnels at the public expense
with the understanding that they were to have the option of taking them
over for railway use after the war. With the latter point in mind,
positions were chosen on routes of possible north-south and east-west
express tube railways"

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/featur...ers/index.html

and Wiki must be talking out of their arses as well then

"London deep-level shelters

Background[edit]

Each shelter consists of a pair of parallel tunnels 16 feet 6 inches (5.03 m)
in diameter and 1,200 feet (370 m) long. Each tunnel is subdivided into two
decks, and each shelter was designed to hold up to 8,000 people. It was planned
that after the war the shelters would be used as part of new express tube
lines paralleling parts of the existing Northern and Central lines. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_deep-level_shelters


Maybe its just as well that there are experts like you around with
the facts at your fingertips, to put everybody right


michael adams

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Spud

On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 14:23:32 -0000
"michael adams" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:46:48 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 06/02/2015 09:23, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 05/02/15 22:37, wrote:
This should be interesting.


http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...ned-tube-tunne
s
london-underline


Only the Guardian ...

"Stretches of vacant tunnel remain at Goodge Street and Stockwell, for
example, remnants of a bizarre second world war plan to connect deep
bomb shelters into an express connection running parallel with the
Northern Line."


Nothing like getting the facts totally mangled.

Well it is The Guardian. If you want facts rather than guesswork and
uneducated
opinion then its the wrong paper.

Looks like Subterranea Britannica

and Wiki must be talking out of their arses as well then

Or got the wrong end of the stick.

http://underground-history.co.uk/shelters.php

"As congestion on the Northern Line increased in the '30s, a plan was developed
to build a second pair of tunnels in parallel with the Charing Cross branch of
the Northern Line that would act as an express route through London"

Maybe its just as well that there are experts like you around with
the facts at your fingertips, to put everybody right

It would seem someone who can use google a bit better than you would be a start.

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Spud

On 2015\02\06 09:57, d wrote:

Well it is The Guardian. If you want facts rather than guesswork and uneducated
opinion then its the wrong paper.

The Guardian, uneducated? Miseducated maybe.

wrote in message ...
On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 14:23:32 -0000
"michael adams" wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:46:48 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 06/02/2015 09:23, The Real Doctor wrote:
On 05/02/15 22:37, wrote:
This should be interesting.


http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...ned-tube-tunne
s
london-underline


Only the Guardian ...

"Stretches of vacant tunnel remain at Goodge Street and Stockwell, for
example, remnants of a bizarre second world war plan to connect deep
bomb shelters into an express connection running parallel with the
Northern Line."


Nothing like getting the facts totally mangled.

Well it is The Guardian. If you want facts rather than guesswork and
uneducated
opinion then its the wrong paper.

Looks like Subterranea Britannica

and Wiki must be talking out of their arses as well then

Or got the wrong end of the stick.

So which word or words in the 12 word sentence from your own link

" These plans were shelved at the outset of the Second World War,"

are you having the biggest difficulty with ?


http://underground-history.co.uk/shelters.php

"As congestion on the Northern Line increased in the '30s, a plan was developed
to build a second pair of tunnels in parallel with the Charing Cross branch of
the Northern Line that would act as an express route through London"

Maybe its just as well that there are experts like you around with
the facts at your fingertips, to put everybody right

It would seem someone who can use google a bit better than you would be a start.

Reading the material you actually link to might help ease your obvious
confusion.

" It was hoped that when their wartime use had come to an end, tunneling
would re-start to allow the already constructed tunnel sections to be
interconnected, providing the express Northern Line route. For this reason,
most shelters were constructed with ease of access to the existing
Northern Line in mind.

So there were plans before the war.

These were shelved.

" These plans were shelved at the outset of the Second World War,"

Then with the start of the war, as the Guardian and SB says, it was decided
to build deep shelters.

At the time, as the Guardian and SB say, the possibility was left open
that these could form part of an express line running parallel
to the existing Northern Line. Similar to that proposed pre-war
but shelved. Hence their siting.

HTH


michael adams

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Spud

In message , at 22:37:19 on Thu, 5 Feb 2015,
" remarked:
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...bandoned-tube-
tunnels-london-underline

I know that Seattle converted at least one tunnel, which was originally
to be for a light rail line, into a dedicated bus lane.

I've not seen, however, anything like this.

The problem with a Holborn-Aldwych cycle route is that unless the
Holborn end is for Piccadilly Line passengers, the round trip
surface-tube-surface will take longer than walking. And don't let us
forget one the main reasons Aldwych closed was it was too expensive to
repair the lifts. Finally, what about the tidal flow of Boris-bikes -
what tooth fairy is going to be shuttling them back to the other end so
that more than a couple of dozen people can use the route each morning
or evening?
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Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
18:45:25 on Thu, 5 Feb 2015, remarked:

Only Holborn-Aldwych is truly abandoned for a start.

And Borough to King William St. via London Bridge

Does that have any surface access though?

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Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 22:37:19 on Thu, 5 Feb
2015, " remarked:

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...bandoned-tube-
tunnels-london-underline

I know that Seattle converted at least one tunnel, which was
originally to be for a light rail line, into a dedicated bus lane.

I've not seen, however, anything like this.

The problem with a Holborn-Aldwych cycle route is that unless the
Holborn end is for Piccadilly Line passengers, the round trip
surface-tube-surface will take longer than walking. And don't let us
forget one the main reasons Aldwych closed was it was too expensive
to repair the lifts. Finally, what about the tidal flow of
Boris-bikes - what tooth fairy is going to be shuttling them back to
the other end so that more than a couple of dozen people can use the
route each morning or evening?

It's obvious - you run a train on the other track to take the bikes
back!

Peter Smyth

In message , at 16:59:15
on Fri, 6 Feb 2015, remarked:
Only Holborn-Aldwych is truly abandoned for a start.

And Borough to King William St. via London Bridge

Does that have any surface access though?

At London Bridge, of sorts. But isn't lack of access one of the
'features' of something that's truly abandoned?

It's also been bisected by the JLE, but if it was important that could
be fixed with an up-and-over (a dip underneath would end up in the
Northern Line station!)
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Roland Perry

In message , at 23:17:16 on Fri, 6 Feb 2015,
Peter Smyth remarked:
The problem with a Holborn-Aldwych cycle route is that unless the
Holborn end is for Piccadilly Line passengers, the round trip
surface-tube-surface will take longer than walking. And don't let us
forget one the main reasons Aldwych closed was it was too expensive
to repair the lifts. Finally, what about the tidal flow of
Boris-bikes - what tooth fairy is going to be shuttling them back to
the other end so that more than a couple of dozen people can use the
route each morning or evening?

It's obvious - you run a train on the other track to take the bikes
back!

Although built for two tracks, there's only one, and also massive
restoration work would be required to bring the second platform at
either end back into use.
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Roland Perry