I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

On Friday, 22 May 2015 06:34:12 UTC+1, Basil Jet wrote:
I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

Tuffers was one of those stations that had a rather annoying lift/escalator characteristic. At the top landing the lift goes almost to street level. There is a further flight of about 10 steps. At the lower level the lift goes almost to platform level - there is a flight of about 20 steps. Lots of other stations have this charming idiosyncracy. It's a major design flaw.

In message , at
03:48:57 on Fri, 22 May 2015, Offramp remarked:
I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

Tuffers was one of those stations that had a rather annoying lift/escalator characteristic. At the top landing the lift goes almost to street
level. There is a further flight of about 10 steps. At the lower level the lift goes almost to platform level - there is a flight of about 20
steps. Lots of other stations have this charming idiosyncracy. It's a major design flaw.

The former is usually because there needs to be a mini concourse which
has access to both platforms, and it can't be any lower because the
tracks are in the way. I'll speculate that the latter is so that the
lift's machinery room can be at ground level.
--
Roland Perry

On 22.05.15 6:34, Basil Jet wrote:

I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

I also heard about this.

Is there a reason that they cannot replace one lift at a time in those
nine months, thus avoiding the need to shut down the station?

Could they not pull two lifts while making people use the down stairs?

On 22.05.15 9:21, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2015 06:34:10 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

More like 100 years, if ever. There is no Mayoral policy to add
stations to the rail network in London nor to properly improve
interchange despite the myriad locations where this could be done with
some money and imagination.


What about a direct physical connection, likely underground, between
Dalston Kingsland and Dalston Junction?

On 2015-05-22 11:47:02 +0000, said:

On 22.05.15 9:21, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2015 06:34:10 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

More like 100 years, if ever. There is no Mayoral policy to add
stations to the rail network in London nor to properly improve
interchange despite the myriad locations where this could be done with
some money and imagination.


What about a direct physical connection, likely underground, between
Dalston Kingsland and Dalston Junction?

Not much point in that as you can just go to Canonbury. A better plan
would be to put the eastern curve back.

E.

On 2015-05-22 13:54:28 +0000, eastender said:

On 2015-05-22 11:47:02 +0000, said:

On 22.05.15 9:21, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2015 06:34:10 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:


I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

More like 100 years, if ever. There is no Mayoral policy to add
stations to the rail network in London nor to properly improve
interchange despite the myriad locations where this could be done with
some money and imagination.


What about a direct physical connection, likely underground, between
Dalston Kingsland and Dalston Junction?

Not much point in that as you can just go to Canonbury. A better plan
would be to put the eastern curve back.

E.

Except that the Eastern Curve garden is being showcased on Gardeners
Question Time right now...

http://dalstongarden.org

On Friday, 22 May 2015 12:31:58 UTC+1, Roland Perry wrote:

Tuffers was one of those stations that had a rather annoying lift/escalator characteristic.

The former is usually because there needs to be a mini concourse which
has access to both platforms, and it can't be any lower because the
tracks are in the way. I'll speculate that the latter is so that the
lift's machinery room can be at ground level.
--
Roland Perry

Aye. That does make sense. But at stations such as the Claphams North & Common, at the bottom, platform end there is only one platform at the end of the escalator, and a flight of stairs to reach them. Angel may have had the same problem, as well as the other island platform Northern Line station, London Bridge. These last two were vastly rearranged, of course.

" wrote:
On 22.05.15 6:34, Basil Jet wrote:

I just noticed that Tufnell Park is shut because the lifts are being
replaced.

So I suppose closing the existing entrance and building a new
Underground / Overground interchange at Station Road with escalators
cutting diagonally down to the existing Northern Line platforms is off
the menu for another 40 years.

I also heard about this.

Is there a reason that they cannot replace one lift at a time in those
nine months, thus avoiding the need to shut down the station?

Could they not pull two lifts while making people use the down stairs?

I believe the two lifts share a single shaft, so it's much more efficient
to replace both at once. And it's regarded as risky to operate the station
for many months with only one life-expired lift in operation. Normally, if
one lift gets stuck, the other can be used to evacuate the passengers from
it, but this wouldn't be possibly with only one working.

In message , at
11:22:24 on Fri, 22 May 2015, Offramp remarked:
Tuffers was one of those stations that had a rather annoying lift/escalator characteristic.

The former is usually because there needs to be a mini concourse which
has access to both platforms, and it can't be any lower because the
tracks are in the way. I'll speculate that the latter is so that the
lift's machinery room can be at ground level.

Aye. That does make sense. But at stations such as the Claphams North & Common,
at the bottom, platform end there is only one platform at the end of the escalator,
and a flight of stairs to reach them.

Even with an island platform, the tracks would have to diverge in order
to fit around the bottom of escalators, and diverge enormously to get
past lift shafts and their circulating areas.

Were any of the island-platform stations originally built with
escalators? Angel had lifts, and the entrance was moved round the corner
during the rebuild to accommodate the horizontal reach of the new
escalators.
--
Roland Perry