I've been reading some of the old threads in this newsgroup along with
Clive's Piccadilly Line page (which FINALLY helped me figure out how
the Heathrow loop works), and I was just wondering if there's any news
on what sort of Piccadilly Line services will be run to Heathrow after
Terminal 5 is opened.

Brad

In article , TheOneKEA
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I've been reading some of the old threads in this newsgroup along with
Clive's Piccadilly Line page (which FINALLY helped me figure out how
the Heathrow loop works), and I was just wondering if there's any news
on what sort of Piccadilly Line services will be run to Heathrow after
Terminal 5 is opened.

Well, the plan *was* that half the trains would continue to run round
the loop, not serving T5, while the other half would run to Terminal 5
and so would miss out T4.

Of course, it could well all have changed by now.

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In message , Clive D. W. Feather
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I've been reading some of the old threads in this newsgroup along with
Clive's Piccadilly Line page (which FINALLY helped me figure out how
the Heathrow loop works), and I was just wondering if there's any news
on what sort of Piccadilly Line services will be run to Heathrow after
Terminal 5 is opened.

Well, the plan *was* that half the trains would continue to run round
the loop, not serving T5, while the other half would run to Terminal 5
and so would miss out T4.

We've been told that it will be about 1/3 round the loop via T4 and 2/3
to T5.
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We've been told that it will be about 1/3 round the loop via T4 and 2/3
to T5.
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And I'd bet you'll still get people getting on the wrong train....

Mike

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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
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We've been told that it will be about 1/3 round the loop via T4 and 2/3
to T5.
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And I'd bet you'll still get people getting on the wrong train....

Mike

So I suppose changing the destination boards to say "Heathrow T4" and
"Heathrow T5" with lots of posters all over the Piccadilly (even the
rolling stock) stating that all Heathrow trains pass Terminals 1, 2
and 3 wouldn't help?

Brad

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
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"Mike Hudgell" wrote in message
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
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We've been told that it will be about 1/3 round the loop via T4 and
2/3
to T5.
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Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
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And I'd bet you'll still get people getting on the wrong train....

Mike

So I suppose changing the destination boards to say "Heathrow T4" and
"Heathrow T5" with lots of posters all over the Piccadilly (even the
rolling stock) stating that all Heathrow trains pass Terminals 1, 2
and 3 wouldn't help?

Welllll, they might, but you have to account for the punters (sometimes) awe
inspiring ability to ignore information. A case in point, Arnos westbound
this morning, train from Cockfosters pulls into P4. A reverser was standing
in P3 waiting to depart westbound, for the 2 or 3 minutes it took me to
walk along the platform from the rear car to the footbridge over to the
depot, the SA was making constant, perfectly clear PA anouncments that the
train in P3 would be the first to depart westbound. To a man and woman, the
passengers on the train in P4 ignored them - until the door chimes on the P3
train started - which was a signal for about 2 dozen eager commuters to cast
their Metros aside and hurl themselves blindly across the platform in
attempt to beat the doors and save themselves that vital 90 seconds getting
to their destination. The driver on the P3 train had to re-open to prevent
the punters getting caught in the doors but at least one managed to beat him
to it and actually ran into a closed door. Of course, once the advance party
had made the cross platform trip it gave shed loads of others the same idea,
so the train had to wait for a gap in the herd to get the doors closed
again, causing yet more delay. It all could have been avoided if those who
wanted to catch the first train had heeded the SA's PA announcments whilst
the regulator was getting his signals sorted out.
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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message ...
In article , TheOneKEA
writes
I've been reading some of the old threads in this newsgroup along with
Clive's Piccadilly Line page (which FINALLY helped me figure out how
the Heathrow loop works), and I was just wondering if there's any news
on what sort of Piccadilly Line services will be run to Heathrow after
Terminal 5 is opened.

Well, the plan *was* that half the trains would continue to run round
the loop, not serving T5, while the other half would run to Terminal 5
and so would miss out T4.

Of course, it could well all have changed by now.

I've been thinking that it would be less confusing if they reversed the
direction that trains go to T4 when T5 opens and the train terminates at T4.
So all trains initially go through T123 then diverge , half going to T4 and
there other half going to T5 so you';d have a simple split on the line
diagram. This would also mean that someone who wanted to go to T4 but ended up
on a T5 train wouldn't have to go all the way back to Hatton Cross. Just my
2ps worth.

B2003

"Boltar" wrote in message
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I've been thinking that it would be less confusing if they
reversed the direction that trains go to T4 when T5
opens and the train terminates at T4. So all trains
initially go through T123 then diverge , half going to
T4 and there other half going to T5 so you';d have a
simple split on the line diagram. This would also mean
that someone who wanted to go to T4 but ended up
on a T5 train wouldn't have to go all the way back to
Hatton Cross.

But it *would* mean that someone who wanted to go to T5 but ended up
on a T4 train would have to go all the way back to Hatton Cross, which they
wouldn't under the current plan.

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
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I've been thinking that it would be less confusing if they
reversed the direction that trains go to T4 when T5
opens and the train terminates at T4. So all trains
initially go through T123 then diverge , half going to
T4 and there other half going to T5 so you';d have a
simple split on the line diagram. This would also mean
that someone who wanted to go to T4 but ended up
on a T5 train wouldn't have to go all the way back to
Hatton Cross.

But it *would* mean that someone who wanted to go to T5 but ended up
on a T4 train would have to go all the way back to Hatton Cross, which they
wouldn't under the current plan.

No , they'd just got back to T123. What I'm suggesting is

T5 ----\
\---T123--- Hatton cross ---
/
T4 ----/

B2003

On 19 Feb 2004 07:12:10 -0800, (Boltar) wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
"Boltar" wrote in message
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I've been thinking that it would be less confusing if they
reversed the direction that trains go to T4 when T5
opens and the train terminates at T4. So all trains
initially go through T123 then diverge , half going to
T4 and there other half going to T5 so you';d have a
simple split on the line diagram. This would also mean
that someone who wanted to go to T4 but ended up
on a T5 train wouldn't have to go all the way back to
Hatton Cross.

But it *would* mean that someone who wanted to go to T5 but ended up
on a T4 train would have to go all the way back to Hatton Cross, which they
wouldn't under the current plan.

No , they'd just got back to T123. What I'm suggesting is

T5 ----\
\---T123--- Hatton cross ---
/
T4 ----/

but your proposal reverses the direction of the *single track* loop line
between T123 and T4. You are assuming that the train reverses at T4 and
goes back to T123. This would mean bi-directional working on a single
track line which would severely reduce the headway to T4.

I appreciate you can argue about whether to go clockwise or
anti-clockwise round the loop but it is too late to change things now.
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