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Boltar February 18th 04 08:42 AM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
"jmu2000" security novels @ free uk.com wrote in message ...
"Colin" wrote in message
...

On a related theme , does anyone know how far the running tunnels

extend
south
of aldwych? Do they reach the river?

B2003


No they don't. They go less than 10 metres past the end of the platform,
which means they must be at least 100metres from the Thames Embankment.

On a slightly different tangent however, the overrun tunnels east of Charing
Cross on the Jubilee Line do almost reach Aldwych, indicating one
possibility that was considered at one time. I don't know whether the track
runs the entire length though, or what lurks at the very end (parts of the
TBM I expect).


I've often wondered if trains ever run down these long overrun tunnels around
the system just to test the track and make sure everything works. Does anyone
at all ever go down them, inspection teams or the like?

B2003

Matt Drury February 18th 04 12:32 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
The remains of the spiral escalator from Holloway Road are at Acton
Museum Depot..


That's the name of the place they gave me. Thanks.

--
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Davey February 20th 04 04:32 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line tunnels extended
as far as Wellington Street, which is where the Lyceem theatre stands, IE
just west of the Aldwich.

David

"Sam Holloway" wrote in message
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I was reading an edition of "London's Underground" (1) from the
mid-1960s, and it mentions three extension proposals that were ongoing
at the time. Two of these - the Victoria extension to Brixton and the
Fleet Line - went ahead (although of course the plans for the Fleet
Line changed greatly over the successive years).

The third was extending the Aldwych branch of the Piccadilly through
to Waterloo. I was aware that this had been considered as it's been
mentioned here before, and on a couple of websites, including CULG.

But what I didn't know is that, according to this book, the necessary
'powers have been granted'. That implies planning got to a rather
advanced stage. So my question : is that really the case, and what
happened that brought things to a halt?

Sam

(1) Don't have the book to hand so can't give accurate title, author
or publication date, but I can do so at a later stage if it's of help.
--
Sam Holloway, Cambridge




Thomas Crame February 20th 04 10:31 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
"jmu2000" security novels @ free uk.com wrote in message ...
"Colin" wrote in message
...

On a related theme , does anyone know how far the running tunnels

extend
south
of aldwych? Do they reach the river?

B2003


No they don't. They go less than 10 metres past the end of the platform,
which means they must be at least 100metres from the Thames Embankment.

On a slightly different tangent however, the overrun tunnels east of Charing
Cross on the Jubilee Line do almost reach Aldwych, indicating one
possibility that was considered at one time. I don't know whether the track
runs the entire length though, or what lurks at the very end (parts of the
TBM I expect).

Regards
John M Upton

I'm not sure if the Charing Cross overruns are fully tracked or not.
I'm fairly sure they aren't track circuited for their whole length,
and I seem to recall one of the signal operations managers saying the
track wasn't laid for the whole distance.

TheOneKEA February 21st 04 07:23 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
"Davey" wrote in message ...
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line tunnels extended
as far as Wellington Street, which is where the Lyceem theatre stands, IE
just west of the Aldwich.

David


Your post brings up an interesting point: if the Jubilee Line had not
gone to Stratford and instead had continued to pass through Charing
Cross and through Aldywch, where would it have gone?

Bank? Moorgate? Highbury and Islington? Would it have run all the way
out to Blackhorse Road and beyond?

Brad

Robin May February 21st 04 07:44 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
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"Davey" wrote in message
...
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line tunnels
extended as far as Wellington Street, which is where the Lyceem
theatre stands, IE just west of the Aldwich.

David


Your post brings up an interesting point: if the Jubilee Line had
not gone to Stratford and instead had continued to pass through
Charing Cross and through Aldywch, where would it have gone?

Bank? Moorgate? Highbury and Islington? Would it have run all the
way out to Blackhorse Road and beyond?


That wouldn't be all that helpful though, or so I'd have thought. It
would just be like a sort of Victoria line mkII.

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The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC!

To annoy people in a slow lift: run up the stairs faster than the lift
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TheOneKEA February 22nd 04 06:22 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
Robin May wrote in message . 1.4...
(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
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"Davey" wrote in message
...
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line tunnels
extended as far as Wellington Street, which is where the Lyceem
theatre stands, IE just west of the Aldwich.

David


Your post brings up an interesting point: if the Jubilee Line had
not gone to Stratford and instead had continued to pass through
Charing Cross and through Aldywch, where would it have gone?

Bank? Moorgate? Highbury and Islington? Would it have run all the
way out to Blackhorse Road and beyond?


That wouldn't be all that helpful though, or so I'd have thought. It
would just be like a sort of Victoria line mkII.


But where would it have gone?

Brad

Robin May February 22nd 04 07:17 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
om

Robin May wrote in message
. 1.4...
(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
m

"Davey" wrote in message
...
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line
tunnels extended as far as Wellington Street, which is where
the Lyceem theatre stands, IE just west of the Aldwich.

David

Your post brings up an interesting point: if the Jubilee Line
had not gone to Stratford and instead had continued to pass
through Charing Cross and through Aldywch, where would it have
gone?

Bank? Moorgate? Highbury and Islington? Would it have run all
the way out to Blackhorse Road and beyond?


That wouldn't be all that helpful though, or so I'd have thought.
It would just be like a sort of Victoria line mkII.


According to the Jubilee line driver's eye view DVD, to Aldwych,
Fenchurch Street, Woolwich and Thamesmead. It didn't because of various
changes like the proposal of Crossrail.

--
message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law.
The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC!

To annoy people in a slow lift: run up the stairs faster than the lift
moves and press the lift call button on each floor.

juvenal February 22nd 04 09:49 PM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 

"TheOneKEA" wrote in message
om...
Robin May wrote in message

. 1.4...
(TheOneKEA) wrote the following in:
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"Davey" wrote in message
...
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line tunnels
extended as far as Wellington Street, which is where the Lyceem
theatre stands, IE just west of the Aldwich.

David

Your post brings up an interesting point: if the Jubilee Line had
not gone to Stratford and instead had continued to pass through
Charing Cross and through Aldywch, where would it have gone?

Bank? Moorgate? Highbury and Islington? Would it have run all the
way out to Blackhorse Road and beyond?


That wouldn't be all that helpful though, or so I'd have thought. It
would just be like a sort of Victoria line mkII.


But where would it have gone?

Brad


Here's a link to an earlier post on the topic by Clive:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Ju...london&safe=of
f&selm=a6kwmNKg6xN4Ewhj%40romana.davros.org&rnum =1



Sam Holloway February 23rd 04 10:54 AM

Aldwych : Proposals in the 60s
 
On 21 Feb 2004 12:23:31 -0800, (TheOneKEA) wrote:

"Davey" wrote in message ...
On a related theme, I rememer reading that the Fleet line tunnels extended
as far as Wellington Street, which is where the Lyceem theatre stands, IE
just west of the Aldwich.

David


Your post brings up an interesting point: if the Jubilee Line had not
gone to Stratford and instead had continued to pass through Charing
Cross and through Aldywch, where would it have gone?


The same book I referenced actually has a rough map of the planned
Fleet Line. Charing Cross, Aldwych, Ludgate Circus then over towards
the East London Line and down to Lewisham via New Cross and New Cross
Gate. (I'm sure this has been covered many times before, so consult
Google Groups for further info.)

Sam
--
Sam Holloway, Cambridge


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