On 2015\11\28 21:14, d wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:06:55 +0000
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Basil Jet
connections to Alexandra Palace and to bring places like Muswell Hill ,
Crouch End etc. to connect to the Northern Line at Highgate High Level.

If there was a northern line branch to Muswell Hill I can only imagine the
stratospheric prices the houses would reach there. They're not exactly cheap
now. Pulling up that branch line must have been one of the most short
sighted idiotic things ever done in london transport policy.

No, closing a railway is no biggie, unless they build on it. The mistake
was tolerating people who say that a closed railway is a treasured green
space that can't be reused as a railway (or road). The area would still
be well supplied with green space without the Parkland Walk.

I suspect that eventually those "environmentalists" will get
a shock. As London's population grows, ever greater pressure
will be placed on transport infrastructure and politicians will cast
around for relatively cheap ways of providing new capacity.

At some stage in the next thirty years or so, London Overground
will suggest running a service from Highgate (high level) along
Parkland Walk to Finsbury Park and then via Canonbury Tunnel to
Stratford. I'm convinced it's just a matter of time.

On 2015\11\29 11:09, wrote:

Are there any other abandoned routes in the London and immediate
surrounds that could be considered in the same light?
Demolition of buildings will be required on such routes but would for
example rebuilding the Hammersmith Grove Road link facilitate route
opportunities from the nearer parts of SW London to N London should
CrossRail generate so much traffic from further out that becomes
overcrowded.
I expect the nearby Hammersmith and Chiswick is a lost cause though.

I can't think of any use for it even if the track was still there.

For decades I've been trying, on and off, to think of a solution to the
Gunnersbury Shuffle[1] that wouldn't both cost a fortune *and* make
things worse. I may have hit on it.

When the Picc takes over Ealing Broadway, divert the District Line
trains from Richmond through the old diveunder east of Fishers Lane,
which is long enough for two Piccadilly tracks over it. This would give
two straight adjacent District tracks east of Acton Lane which could
have two platforms built on them. The existing District platforms would
be served by the Piccadilly Line, and all Piccadilly services at Turnham
Green would cease. The curve on the north side of the Gunnersbury
Triangle would be reinstated, and the North London Line would be
diverted via the *NEW* District platforms in both directions, with a
reversal there. Thus all trains in the area would call at Chiswick Park.
The west side of the Gunnersbury Triangle could be abandoned and become
part of the nature reserve, to make up for any land lost on the north
side. If having NLL trains occupying District platforms while the driver
changes ends is a problem, then there would have to be NLL platforms
alongside the new District ones, for which there is room, but the extra
junctions east of Acton Lane would push all of the new platforms further
away from the station entrance.

[1] North London Line - Gunnersbury - Turnham Green - Acton Town - Heathrow

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:56:21 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\11\29 11:09, wrote:

Are there any other abandoned routes in the London and immediate
surrounds that could be considered in the same light?
Demolition of buildings will be required on such routes but would for
example rebuilding the Hammersmith Grove Road link facilitate route
opportunities from the nearer parts of SW London to N London should
CrossRail generate so much traffic from further out that becomes
overcrowded.
I expect the nearby Hammersmith and Chiswick is a lost cause though.

I can't think of any use for it even if the track was still there.

For decades I've been trying, on and off, to think of a solution to the
Gunnersbury Shuffle[1] that wouldn't both cost a fortune *and* make
things worse. I may have hit on it.

When the Picc takes over Ealing Broadway, divert the District Line
trains from Richmond through the old diveunder east of Fishers Lane,
which is long enough for two Piccadilly tracks over it. This would give
two straight adjacent District tracks east of Acton Lane which could
have two platforms built on them. The existing District platforms would
be served by the Piccadilly Line, and all Piccadilly services at Turnham
Green would cease. The curve on the north side of the Gunnersbury
Triangle would be reinstated, and the North London Line would be
diverted via the *NEW* District platforms in both directions, with a
reversal there. Thus all trains in the area would call at Chiswick Park.
The west side of the Gunnersbury Triangle could be abandoned and become
part of the nature reserve, to make up for any land lost on the north
side. If having NLL trains occupying District platforms while the driver
changes ends is a problem, then there would have to be NLL platforms
alongside the new District ones, for which there is room, but the extra
junctions east of Acton Lane would push all of the new platforms further
away from the station entrance.

[1] North London Line - Gunnersbury - Turnham Green - Acton Town - Heathrow

What about the new blocks of flats on Bollo Lane which are probably in
the way of the line and platforms you want to build?

On 2015\11\29 14:51, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:56:21 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\11\29 11:09, wrote:

Are there any other abandoned routes in the London and immediate
surrounds that could be considered in the same light?
Demolition of buildings will be required on such routes but would for
example rebuilding the Hammersmith Grove Road link facilitate route
opportunities from the nearer parts of SW London to N London should
CrossRail generate so much traffic from further out that becomes
overcrowded.
I expect the nearby Hammersmith and Chiswick is a lost cause though.

I can't think of any use for it even if the track was still there.

For decades I've been trying, on and off, to think of a solution to the
Gunnersbury Shuffle[1] that wouldn't both cost a fortune *and* make
things worse. I may have hit on it.

When the Picc takes over Ealing Broadway, divert the District Line
trains from Richmond through the old diveunder east of Fishers Lane,
which is long enough for two Piccadilly tracks over it. This would give
two straight adjacent District tracks east of Acton Lane which could
have two platforms built on them. The existing District platforms would
be served by the Piccadilly Line, and all Piccadilly services at Turnham
Green would cease. The curve on the north side of the Gunnersbury
Triangle would be reinstated, and the North London Line would be
diverted via the *NEW* District platforms in both directions, with a
reversal there. Thus all trains in the area would call at Chiswick Park.
The west side of the Gunnersbury Triangle could be abandoned and become
part of the nature reserve, to make up for any land lost on the north
side. If having NLL trains occupying District platforms while the driver
changes ends is a problem, then there would have to be NLL platforms
alongside the new District ones, for which there is room, but the extra
junctions east of Acton Lane would push all of the new platforms further
away from the station entrance.

[1] North London Line - Gunnersbury - Turnham Green - Acton Town - Heathrow

What about the new blocks of flats on Bollo Lane which are probably in
the way of the line and platforms you want to build?


The platforms would be east of Acton Lane.

I wasn't sure if those flats were on the old alignment. A slightly
tighter curve just south of them should be okay... it would be nowhere
near as curved as Metropolitan Junction.

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 15:14:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\11\29 14:51, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:56:21 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\11\29 11:09, wrote:

Are there any other abandoned routes in the London and immediate
surrounds that could be considered in the same light?
Demolition of buildings will be required on such routes but would for
example rebuilding the Hammersmith Grove Road link facilitate route
opportunities from the nearer parts of SW London to N London should
CrossRail generate so much traffic from further out that becomes
overcrowded.
I expect the nearby Hammersmith and Chiswick is a lost cause though.

I can't think of any use for it even if the track was still there.

For decades I've been trying, on and off, to think of a solution to the
Gunnersbury Shuffle[1] that wouldn't both cost a fortune *and* make
things worse. I may have hit on it.

When the Picc takes over Ealing Broadway, divert the District Line
trains from Richmond through the old diveunder east of Fishers Lane,
which is long enough for two Piccadilly tracks over it. This would give
two straight adjacent District tracks east of Acton Lane which could
have two platforms built on them. The existing District platforms would
be served by the Piccadilly Line, and all Piccadilly services at Turnham
Green would cease. The curve on the north side of the Gunnersbury
Triangle would be reinstated, and the North London Line would be
diverted via the *NEW* District platforms in both directions, with a
reversal there. Thus all trains in the area would call at Chiswick Park.
The west side of the Gunnersbury Triangle could be abandoned and become
part of the nature reserve, to make up for any land lost on the north
side. If having NLL trains occupying District platforms while the driver
changes ends is a problem, then there would have to be NLL platforms
alongside the new District ones, for which there is room, but the extra
junctions east of Acton Lane would push all of the new platforms further
away from the station entrance.

[1] North London Line - Gunnersbury - Turnham Green - Acton Town - Heathrow

What about the new blocks of flats on Bollo Lane which are probably in
the way of the line and platforms you want to build?


The platforms would be east of Acton Lane.

I wasn't sure if those flats were on the old alignment. A slightly
tighter curve just south of them should be okay... it would be nowhere
near as curved as Metropolitan Junction.

But where would the Overground tracks go?

On 2015\11\30 11:39, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 15:14:52 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\11\29 14:51, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:56:21 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2015\11\29 11:09, wrote:

Are there any other abandoned routes in the London and immediate
surrounds that could be considered in the same light?
Demolition of buildings will be required on such routes but would for
example rebuilding the Hammersmith Grove Road link facilitate route
opportunities from the nearer parts of SW London to N London should
CrossRail generate so much traffic from further out that becomes
overcrowded.
I expect the nearby Hammersmith and Chiswick is a lost cause though.

I can't think of any use for it even if the track was still there.

For decades I've been trying, on and off, to think of a solution to the
Gunnersbury Shuffle[1] that wouldn't both cost a fortune *and* make
things worse. I may have hit on it.

When the Picc takes over Ealing Broadway, divert the District Line
trains from Richmond through the old diveunder east of Fishers Lane,
which is long enough for two Piccadilly tracks over it. This would give
two straight adjacent District tracks east of Acton Lane which could
have two platforms built on them. The existing District platforms would
be served by the Piccadilly Line, and all Piccadilly services at Turnham
Green would cease. The curve on the north side of the Gunnersbury
Triangle would be reinstated, and the North London Line would be
diverted via the *NEW* District platforms in both directions, with a
reversal there. Thus all trains in the area would call at Chiswick Park.
The west side of the Gunnersbury Triangle could be abandoned and become
part of the nature reserve, to make up for any land lost on the north
side. If having NLL trains occupying District platforms while the driver
changes ends is a problem, then there would have to be NLL platforms
alongside the new District ones, for which there is room, but the extra
junctions east of Acton Lane would push all of the new platforms further
away from the station entrance.

[1] North London Line - Gunnersbury - Turnham Green - Acton Town - Heathrow

What about the new blocks of flats on Bollo Lane which are probably in
the way of the line and platforms you want to build?


The platforms would be east of Acton Lane.

I wasn't sure if those flats were on the old alignment. A slightly
tighter curve just south of them should be okay... it would be nowhere
near as curved as Metropolitan Junction.

But where would the Overground tracks go?

Just south of the buildings, on the north side of the triangular nature
reserve. There might even be only one track, since the northbound and
southbound NLL would have to cross paths between South Acton and the
reversal at the new Chiswick Park platforms, so it might be okay for
them to cross paths via a single track section 200 metres long.