In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016,
" remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may have
ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has commercial
traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been pretty
much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail), unless the
goods you refer to are holidaymakers.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 2016\01\01 23:58, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 17:00:26 on Fri, 1 Jan
2016, " remarked:

Are any canals being used or starting to find use as commercial
waterways for the shipment of goods?

The coal traffic in East Yorkshire (eg Calder and Hebble etc) may
have ceased by now, but the Manchester Ship Canal still has
commercial traffic.

Inland, the speed and carrying capacity of a narrowboat has been
pretty much superseded by road transport (itself superseding rail),
unless the goods you refer to are holidaymakers.

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago.

Here's one loading at a harbour next to Cannon Street Station.

In message , at 17:58:43
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

Trams, and possibly trains, are delivered by sea to the docks at
Dartford. But that's hardly "inland". Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.
--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
writes
In message , at 17:58:43
on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

Trams, and possibly trains, are delivered by sea to the docks at
Dartford. But that's hardly "inland". Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

The Thames is tidal till Teddington Lock and loses its sea salt between
Battersea and Gravesend,
--
Bryan Morris
Public Key http://www.pgp.uk.demon.net - 0xCC6237E9

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
17:58:43 on Fri, 1 Jan 2016, remarked:

Lighters on the Thames are still used for waste in London, I was a bit
surprised to find a year or two ago. They were more common when I was a
child. There is other Thames river freight traffic. the barges run into
Putney railway Bridge from time to time.

Trams, and possibly trains, are delivered by sea to the docks at
Dartford. But that's hardly "inland". Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

That would exclude the whole of the Thames in London. The traditional
boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool of London, between
Tower and London Bridges.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 10:25:21
on Sat, 2 Jan 2016, remarked:
Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

That would exclude the whole of the Thames in London.

In central London. The river upstream of Teddington is still in London
(Boroughs of Richmond or Kingston depending on which side of the river).

The traditional boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool
of London, between Tower and London Bridges.

For what purposes? BWB licences, for example.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
10:25:21 on Sat, 2 Jan 2016, remarked:
Where do the "inland" waterways
start - probably where no longer tidal.

That would exclude the whole of the Thames in London.

In central London. The river upstream of Teddington is still in
London (Boroughs of Richmond or Kingston depending on which side of
the river).

The traditional boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool
of London, between Tower and London Bridges.

For what purposes? BWB licences, for example.

Not sure, just the rule as I learned it as a nipper. I think the PLA's
authority doesn't extend upstream of London Bridge.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
() wrote:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 18:47:45 -0600,
wrote:

The traditional boundary between sea and waterway used to be the Pool
of London, between Tower and London Bridges.

For what purposes? BWB licences, for example.
BWB and its successor have never been involved with licences for the
Thames, over the years the non tidal bit has been controlled by the
Thames Conservancy, Thames Water,National Rivers and now the
Environmental Agency. You have to get a separate licence for the
Thames. quite straight forward to visit nowadays as since the BWB boat
safety examinations were brought in a few decades ago the Thames
operators will accept the BWB /CART certificate for a visit on the non
tidal section. PLA on the tidal bit may require a bit more like a vhf
radio to be available.
Before any old tub could be on a canal but not pass the Thames
requirements
Not sure, just the rule as I learned it as a nipper. I think the PLA's
authority doesn't extend upstream of London Bridge.

I don't know if they have always used the same boundary points but
pilots for ships have different areas over which their knowledge
applies . The PLA website at the moment states they have 12 who are
River Pilots working between Gravesend and London Bridge and in
addition 3 Bridge pilots who have the ability to Pilot up to Putney
Bridge. Others will be qualified to navigate the channels from the
open sea , some may be qualified for more than one zone.
That could be why you have heard London Bridge mentioned as a boundary
but it is not the PLA one,they have only employed the Pilots
themselves since the 1980's
The PLA covers the tidal Thames up to Teddington where there is a
marker post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_o...File:PLAmarker.
JPG

Thanks for putting me right.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I thought the spoil from Crossrail was taken away from London
by barge.

Water transport is far cheaper than road or rail if the product
is already alongside the water. It's the transhipment (re-loading)
costs which killed river and barge freight. There are many products
where speed of delivery is not critical, and with bulk transport it is
often worthwhile producing the product early to gain the savings
on transport.