"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
-sept
ember.org, at 09:19:09 on Mon, 2 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:

If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

does the new runway require a new terminal (and hence a new station)

or will the current terminals be sufficient (and hence no new station)?

tim

tim... wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
-sept
ember.org, at 09:19:09 on Mon, 2 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:

If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

does the new runway require a new terminal (and hence a new station)

or will the current terminals be sufficient (and hence no new station)?

It will need a big new terminal, to the north west of T5. Roland is saying
that there will be an internal shuttle link to T5, so the pax to the new
terminal will use the existing T5 stations and then take the shuttle. That
makes sense to me.

On Mon, 2 May 2016 10:48:48 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
-sept
ember.org, at 09:19:09 on Mon, 2 May 2016, Recliner
remarked:

If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

I've just been looking at this 2014 document:
http://your.heathrow.com/wp-content/...i_easyread.pdf

Page 13 shows a map of the future planned western side of Heathrow. It
shows the main new terminal immediately to the west of the T5 short
stay car park, probably with direct escalator connections to the heavy
rail stations under it. It has some new gates on the west side and
there's a longish transit link to a long new east-west satellite
building between the existing northern runway and the new runway. It
has gates on both sides.

It shows western rail links to both the GWR and SWT lines, using both
sets of platforms. No Piccadilly line extension is shown.

It also shows the current T3 site redeveloped as a pair of north-south
satellites, presumably linked an expanded central terminal building
(ie, the current T2).

In message , at 12:21:13 on
Mon, 2 May 2016, Recliner remarked:
If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

I've just been looking at this 2014 document:
http://your.heathrow.com/wp-content/...i_easyread.pdf

I was looking at various plans on that site earlier, but lost the will
to live as a result of them not making sufficiently clear which
proposals were out of date, and which was the currently promoted one.

The most "popular" in the sense of people discussing it as the "plan" is
the one with the new terminal halfway along the M4 motorway spur [in
effect just off the top right of that p13 map], and that's the one which
was going to have a Stansted-like subterranean people mover connecting
it to T5 to the west and T2 to the south.

Page 13 shows a map of the future planned western side of Heathrow. It
shows the main new terminal immediately to the west of the T5 short
stay car park, probably with direct escalator connections to the heavy
rail stations under it. It has some new gates on the west side and
there's a longish transit link to a long new east-west satellite
building between the existing northern runway and the new runway. It
has gates on both sides.

It shows western rail links to both the GWR and SWT lines, using both
sets of platforms. No Piccadilly line extension is shown.

It also shows the current T3 site redeveloped as a pair of north-south
satellites, presumably linked an expanded central terminal building
(ie, the current T2).

Yes, whatever happens I think that the two main terminals will be T5
expanding eastwards and T2 expanding westwards, until they meet. The
obvious thing to do then is an airside shuttle like they have at Atlanta
or Incheon, joining in the middle.
--
Roland Perry

On 02/05/16 10:32, Basil Jet wrote:
... with a siding that Liverpool Central doesn't have. My point was that
Liverpool Central seems to cope with a more intensive service than is
proposed for T5, without any siding.


A pedant points out that Liverpool Central does have a reversing siding.
But your comments still stand as it is not used to reverse the normal
service.

--
Phil
Liverpool, UK

Phil wrote:
On 02/05/16 10:32, Basil Jet wrote:
... with a siding that Liverpool Central doesn't have. My point was that
Liverpool Central seems to cope with a more intensive service than is
proposed for T5, without any siding.


A pedant points out that Liverpool Central does have a reversing siding.
But your comments still stand as it is not used to reverse the normal
service.


Do they run as three-car units, or as two units coupled together?

On Mon, 2 May 2016 13:46:50 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 12:21:13 on
Mon, 2 May 2016, Recliner remarked:
If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

I've just been looking at this 2014 document:
http://your.heathrow.com/wp-content/...i_easyread.pdf

I was looking at various plans on that site earlier, but lost the will
to live as a result of them not making sufficiently clear which
proposals were out of date, and which was the currently promoted one.

The most "popular" in the sense of people discussing it as the "plan" is
the one with the new terminal halfway along the M4 motorway spur [in
effect just off the top right of that p13 map], and that's the one which
was going to have a Stansted-like subterranean people mover connecting
it to T5 to the west and T2 to the south.

I think that was from an earlier, now rejected, proposal for a new
northern, rather than the northwestern runway.

In message , at 12:44:30 on
Tue, 3 May 2016, Recliner remarked:
If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

I've just been looking at this 2014 document:
http://your.heathrow.com/wp-content/...i_easyread.pdf

I was looking at various plans on that site earlier, but lost the will
to live as a result of them not making sufficiently clear which
proposals were out of date, and which was the currently promoted one.

The most "popular" in the sense of people discussing it as the "plan" is
the one with the new terminal halfway along the M4 motorway spur [in
effect just off the top right of that p13 map], and that's the one which
was going to have a Stansted-like subterranean people mover connecting
it to T5 to the west and T2 to the south.

I think that was from an earlier, now rejected, proposal for a new
northern, rather than the northwestern runway.

I don't think the runway has moved much - the eastern end is stubbornly
just west of the M4 spur. Apart from moving the terminal from near that
spur to west of T5, the plan which may be the latest one doesn't require
the M25/M4 junction to be rebuilt - which may or may not be part of the
OP's £16bn.
--
Roland Perry

On 03/05/16 09:30, Recliner wrote:
Phil wrote:
On 02/05/16 10:32, Basil Jet wrote:
... with a siding that Liverpool Central doesn't have. My point was that
Liverpool Central seems to cope with a more intensive service than is
proposed for T5, without any siding.


A pedant points out that Liverpool Central does have a reversing siding.
But your comments still stand as it is not used to reverse the normal
service.


Do they run as three-car units, or as two units coupled together?

The reversers are usually 3-car in my experience.

--
Phil
Liverpool, UK

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:44:30 on
Tue, 3 May 2016, Recliner remarked:
If the third runway is built, aiui there will be a shuttle train from
the current T5 stations, rather than extend either the tube or heavy
rail. That'll mean a more frequent service will be required.

Is that confirmed or speculation?

From a usually reliable source, if the project goes ahead.

I've just been looking at this 2014 document:
http://your.heathrow.com/wp-content/...i_easyread.pdf

I was looking at various plans on that site earlier, but lost the will
to live as a result of them not making sufficiently clear which
proposals were out of date, and which was the currently promoted one.

The most "popular" in the sense of people discussing it as the "plan" is
the one with the new terminal halfway along the M4 motorway spur [in
effect just off the top right of that p13 map], and that's the one which
was going to have a Stansted-like subterranean people mover connecting
it to T5 to the west and T2 to the south.

I think that was from an earlier, now rejected, proposal for a new
northern, rather than the northwestern runway.

I don't think the runway has moved much - the eastern end is stubbornly
just west of the M4 spur. Apart from moving the terminal from near that
spur to west of T5, the plan which may be the latest one doesn't require
the M25/M4 junction to be rebuilt - which may or may not be part of the
OP's £16bn.

It is further to the west. See chapters 7 and 8 in this, which I think is
the latest, document which describes the plan the Airports Commission
prefers:
http://www.heathrow.com/file_source/...in_further.pdf

Needless to say, the cutaway diagram of the integrated Heathrow West on p27
clearly gets the trains and platforms wrong.

So the plan is to have just three terminals: very large East and West
terminals (much expanded versions of the current T2 and T5) and the
existing much smaller T4, perhaps renamed the South terminal. Each will
have Piccadilly and mainline stations, as now, but the West terminal
station(s) will have two more platforms. I see they envisage the
western/southern rail links having a combined 10 (4+6) tph by 2040.