Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.

That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Dependant of course on driver route and traction knowledge...


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On 28/05/2016 16:15, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to
be electrified, and there will be partial and complete
closures starting from tomorrow. It will be completely
closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the
electrification is complete a few months later, and the
new 4-car Aventras arrive in early 2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification



The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll
just go into storage during the complete closure, or will
they be loaned to any other operator that needs extra
capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has
their future home been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on
the line earlier this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626




Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the
Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose
decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere
? Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope
for 172s substituting for the buses if suitable sections of
GOBLIN were complete save for switching on the juice.

That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work
won't be finished and the lines energised for at least another
four months, during which time I assume the 172s will provide the
service. They won't be available to anyone else till the Aventras
enter service in 2018. So the DMUs will be running under the
wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out
in the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at
Wembley or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If
there is coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at
least be available for e.g. diversions over alternative
non-electrified routes.


Dependant of course on driver route and traction knowledge...


Anna Noyd-Dryver


Might London Midland be interested in a short term hire, whilst their
fire-damaged units are repaired ?

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:54 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

David C wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 14:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow. It
will be completely closed from 24 Sep to Feb 2017. It will then reopen,
presumably still using the current DMUs, until the electrification is
complete a few months later, and the new 4-car Aventras arrive in early
2018.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...lectrification

The line has eight 2-car 172s that are modern and in good condition, so
they're in no need of renovation. I wonder if they'll just go into storage
during the complete closure, or will they be loaned to any other operator
that needs extra capacity, even if only for a few months?

And once they've been replaced by the new Aventras, has their future home
been decided?

For anyone who's interested, here's a few pics I took on the line earlier
this week:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57668732378626


Chiltern would be the "obvious choice", the LOROL units were ordered
by Adrian Shooter & have a similar specification to the Chiltern 172's

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was wondering whose decision it is?

Is there any hint of Chiltern needing some extra stock anywhere ?
Depending on how the work is arranged, there could be scope for 172s
substituting for the buses if suitable sections of GOBLIN were
complete save for switching on the juice.

That's the situation when the line reopens in February. The work won't be
finished and the lines energised for at least another four months, during
which time I assume the 172s will provide the service. They won't be
available to anyone else till the Aventras enter service in 2018. So the
DMUs will be running under the wires for at least six months.

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.


Dependant of course on driver route and traction knowledge...

Aren't the LO and Chiltern 172s more or less identical? So traction
knowledge shouldn't be an issue for Chiltern drivers.

That raises another question: what will the LO GOBLIN drivers be doing
during the shutdown? I know there will be training courses for the new
trains, but what else?

Recliner wrote:

Aren't the LO and Chiltern 172s more or less identical? So traction
knowledge shouldn't be an issue for Chiltern drivers.

That raises another question: what will the LO GOBLIN drivers be doing
during the shutdown? I know there will be training courses for the
new trains, but what else?

There aren't any dedicated GOBLIN drivers, they all drive class 378s as
well so can be used on other lines.

It is too early to start training people on the new stock considering
the first train isn't due to arrive for 18 months.

Peter Smyth

Peter Smyth wrote:
Recliner wrote:

Aren't the LO and Chiltern 172s more or less identical? So traction
knowledge shouldn't be an issue for Chiltern drivers.

That raises another question: what will the LO GOBLIN drivers be doing
during the shutdown? I know there will be training courses for the
new trains, but what else?

There aren't any dedicated GOBLIN drivers, they all drive class 378s as
well so can be used on other lines.

Ah, I wondered.


It is too early to start training people on the new stock considering
the first train isn't due to arrive for 18 months.

From now, yes, but during the blockade, the time to the new trains will be
down to less than a year. Still too early for training, I guess.

In article ,
(Theo) wrote:

In uk.railway Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.

Greater Anglia seem to be sporadically short of DMUs, dragging out the
LHCS occasionally when they get desperate. I don't know if that's close
enough that they can still live at Willesden for maintenance.

However GA don't like paying for stock - claiming they didn't need the
317s required by the previous operator on their patch. So unless they're
going really cheap...

Didn't they relent and eventually take all the 317s back one way or another?

AGA's DMU shortage also shows up in the inability to run long enough trains
on some services, e.g. Cambridge-Ipswich, and increase the
Peterborough-Ipswich service to hourly.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.

No, another week yet.

No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.

Are you sure about that? TfL say the closure starts 4 June, and the only
LO closure listed for this weekend is Romford to Upminister for Crossrail
works.

Theo

On 29 May 2016 02:28:18 +0100 (BST), Theo
wrote:

In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.

No, another week yet.

No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.

Are you sure about that? TfL say the closure starts 4 June, and the only
LO closure listed for this weekend is Romford to Upminister for Crossrail
works.

Using RTT for Upper Holloway and Woodgrange Park, GOBLIN is bustituted
Sunday and Monday. Previous weekend closures have also been connected
with the upgrade of the line. There is nothing new about the TfL
website failing to correctly show weekend alterations involving NR/LO
other than the NLL or the DC line; on more than one occasion the
Journey Planner has failed to recognise e.g. that Northumberland Park
station has been opened on a Sunday when a Spurs game is on.

Theo wrote:
In uk.railway Recliner wrote:
Basil Jet wrote:
On 2016\05\27 15:58, Recliner wrote:
As I'm sure most people know, the GOBLIN line is soon to be electrified,
and there will be partial and complete closures starting from tomorrow.

No, another week yet.

No, it's closed for the whole three-day Bank holiday weekend starting
tomorrow, as part of the project.

Are you sure about that? TfL say the closure starts 4 June, and the only
LO closure listed for this weekend is Romford to Upminister for Crossrail
works.

Use the TfL Journey Planner to get from Gospel Oak to Stratford today or
tomorrow, and see what route it recommends.

In message , at 19:31:17
on Sat, 28 May 2016, remarked:
In article ,
(Theo) wrote:

In uk.railway Charles Ellson wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2016 23:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

That doesn't seem to leave long enough for any useful hiring out in
the direction of Chiltern unless e.g. there's something big at Wembley
or somewhere else (Stratford ?) they could be used for. If there is
coincidence with work somewhere else then they would at least be
available for e.g. diversions over alternative non-electrified routes.

Greater Anglia seem to be sporadically short of DMUs, dragging out the
LHCS occasionally when they get desperate. I don't know if that's close
enough that they can still live at Willesden for maintenance.

However GA don't like paying for stock - claiming they didn't need the
317s required by the previous operator on their patch. So unless they're
going really cheap...

Didn't they relent and eventually take all the 317s back one way or another?

AGA's DMU shortage also shows up in the inability to run long enough trains
on some services, e.g. Cambridge-Ipswich, and increase the
Peterborough-Ipswich service to hourly.

Doesn't the latter require doubling Ely-Soham?
--
Roland Perry