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The Parliamentary under Secretary for Transport (Tom Harris): The
Department for Transport has today announced a contribution of 18.5m
from the Productivity section of the Transport Innovation Fund (TIF)
to enhance the Gospel Oak to Barking line which is an important rail
artery through east and north London. The improvements will deliver a
number of benefits:
they will enable the line to carry more goods and larger containers
from the important and growing ports in the south east, including the
new development at London Gateway (Shell Haven), to other parts of the
rail network including the West Coast Main Line; and
they will provide rail freight customers with an alternative route
during future maintenance works on the North London Line.
TIF was established by the Future of Transport White Paper (July
2004). Productivity TIF is one part of this fund. It supports
packages and schemes which are expected to make a major contribution
to the UK's economy.
Further Productivity TIF schemes are still under consideration for
funding. Announcements will be made on these on a case by case basis.
Delivered: 25 July 2007
unquote.

Does anybody know what works are covered by the 18.5 million? I would
imagine that the rebuilding Gospel Oak Junction,W10 Gauge clearance,
775metre plus loops etc., and rebuilding embankments at the eastern
end would eat most of this..
Does anybody remember how much the civil engineering on Chiltern's
Evergreen cost - I seem to recall that the full extent of work
necessary on the embankments north of Bicester could not be fully
estimated until the embankments were opened up and their Edwardian
interiors excavated.
Although, it would make long term operational sense, I don't think
that electrification will fit within the budget especially as the
Overground has/is ordering new diesel stock to replace the 150's. I am
also assuming that TfL will be coming up with a contribution in
respect of rebuilding stations, lengthening platforms etc as part of
the Overground project. It would obviously make sense to build this as
an integrated project.


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Does anybody know what works are covered by the 18.5 million? I would
imagine that the rebuilding Gospel Oak Junction,W10 Gauge clearance,
775metre plus loops etc., and rebuilding embankments at the eastern
end would eat most of this..

END quote (I've done this as for some odd reason the ''s aren't appearing
on this message).

Resignalling - the line will be used as a diversion for freight during the
Olympics when capacity at Stratford will be at a premium. How freight will
get between GEML and GOBLIN is another matter - reverse at Forest Gate
Junction and again at Woodgrange Park Junction? New junction perhaps??

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Does anybody know what works are covered by the 18.5 million? I would
imagine that the rebuilding Gospel Oak Junction,W10 Gauge clearance,
775metre plus loops etc., and rebuilding embankments at the eastern
end would eat most of this..

END quote

Resignalling - the line will be used as a diversion for freight during the
Olympics when capacity at Stratford will be at a premium. How freight will
get between GEML and GOBLIN is another matter - reverse at Forest Gate
Junction and again at Woodgrange Park Junction? New junction perhaps??

Some freight from the Tilbury line crosses the GEML on the level between
Forest Gate and Stratford, and then goes via the NLL. Transferring this to
Goblin will provide a lot of relief, though it will have to be
diesel-hauled. From the GEML it will be possible to go via Stratford, Lea
Bridge, and South Tottenham (there is a route which avoids reversal).

If it is intended to project passenger trains along the NLL west from Gospel
Oak it will be necessary to rebuild GO station as well as the junction -
trains from Barking teminate in a bay platform with no access to the NLL,
but I don't think it would be acceptable for trains between Barking and
Willesden Junction to miss out this station.

Peter


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http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speeches...ingtogospeloak
quote
The Parliamentary under Secretary for Transport (Tom Harris): The
Department for Transport has today announced a contribution of 18.5m
from the Productivity section of the Transport Innovation Fund (TIF)
to enhance the Gospel Oak to Barking line which is an important rail
artery through east and north London. The improvements will deliver a
number of benefits:

Does anybody know what works are covered by the 18.5 million? I would
imagine that the rebuilding Gospel Oak Junction,W10 Gauge clearance,
775metre plus loops etc., and rebuilding embankments at the eastern
end would eat most of this..


Just looking at the NR business plan for the route, once you've got W10
gauge clearance to the east of Gospel Oak, I think it has to be extended to
the west through the Hampstead tunnels, which is seen as a 'major obstacle'.
Details in:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/BusinessPlan2007/PDF/Route%206%20NLL.pdf

Paul


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"Bob" wrote in message
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speeches...ingtogospeloak
quote
The Parliamentary under Secretary for Transport (Tom Harris): The
Department for Transport has today announced a contribution of 18.5m
from the Productivity section of the Transport Innovation Fund (TIF)
to enhance the Gospel Oak to Barking line which is an important rail
artery through east and north London. The improvements will deliver a
number of benefits:

Does anybody know what works are covered by the 18.5 million? I would
imagine that the rebuilding Gospel Oak Junction,W10 Gauge clearance,
775metre plus loops etc., and rebuilding embankments at the eastern
end would eat most of this..


Just looking at the NR business plan for the route, once you've got W10
gauge clearance to the east of Gospel Oak, I think it has to be extended
to the west through the Hampstead tunnels, which is seen as a 'major
obstacle'. Details in:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/BusinessPlan2007/PDF/Route%206%20NLL.pdf


The DfT press announcement for this also includes announcement of grants for
a couple of new freight flows, Scrap Metal from Brierly Hill to Southampton
and Barry, and Sand and Aggregates to Tolworth. Will freight to Tolworth
travel via Raynes Park, or a long way round with reversals?

"The new awards of Freight Facility Grants have been made to:
- Day Group Ltd has been awarded a grant of 1,150,938 towards the cost of
redeveloping the former rail goods yard at Tolworth. The grant will enable
them to move around 2.3 million tonnes of sand and aggregates by rail over a
10 year period. The scheme will remove over 220,000 lorry trips and result
in the saving of over 14.6 million lorry kilometres from our roads over this
period.

- Dunn Bros (1995) Ltd has been awarded a grant of 705,090 from the
Department - and a further 395,657 from the Welsh Assembly Government -
towards the cost of rail handling facilities at Brierley Hill, Southampton
and Barry Docks. The grant will enable Dunn Bros Ltd to move 140,000 tonnes
of scrap steel per year from Brierley Hill in Birmingham for export from
Southampton and Barry. This grant will remove over 105,000 lorry journeys
over the 10 years and save almost 20.8 million lorry kilometres.

Paul




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The DfT press announcement for this also includes announcement of grants
for a couple of new freight flows, Scrap Metal from Brierly Hill to
Southampton and Barry,


Until about 20 years ago the Southampton scrap metal flows would have been to
Northam sidings, now the Desiro depot. From there the wagons would have been
shunted through the Southern Television carpark to Driver's Wharf to be
loaded onto coasters. This movement was performed by an elderly Barclay's
0-4-0 diesel-mechanical shunter driven by an elderly Sikh in grubby overalls
and a spotless turban. There was a run-round loop in the middle of the
carpark so that the loco could pull the wagons out of the BR sidings, then
transfer to the back of the train and propel the rake under Northam bridge
and onto the wharf.

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