On 18/11/2016 10:37, d wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:27:48 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/11/2016 09:34, d wrote:
Are they? Oh. So who's the current New York ambassador to the UK then? How
many ships does the Rhode Island navy have? Whats Californias foreign policy
with respect to Syria?


You mean you don't know?

No. Perhaps you should fill us in.


Don't tempt me…

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:52:18 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/11/2016 10:37, d wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:27:48 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 18/11/2016 09:34, d wrote:
Are they? Oh. So who's the current New York ambassador to the UK then? How
many ships does the Rhode Island navy have? Whats Californias foreign
policy
with respect to Syria?


You mean you don't know?

No. Perhaps you should fill us in.


Don't tempt me…

Aww bless, a fluffy liberal being vaguely threatening. Its like watching one
of those small yappy handbag dogs get all upset and growly

--
Spud

wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:46:08 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:55:16 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:32:45 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:


And many people who were born here did not have a vote e.g. those
using EU freedom of movement to work in Europe.

There's a reason there's an "ex" in ex-pat.

So you don't want immigrants to UK to vote because they wern't born
here and you don't want people who were born here to be able to vote
either. That does not make any sense.

Born here and living here. If you've ****ed off to live in another
country you absolve any right to have an influence on whether your
country of birth remains in the EU since it is no longer your concern.
And if all those chavs and criminals living on the costas are worried
about their status when we exit then they should apply for Spanish
citizenship. Ditto anywhere else.



What about those working abroad on fixed term contracts of a few years
duration?

Thats different. I'm talking about people who've gone to live abroad with
no intention of returning.

So UK migrants should get Spanish citizenship and vote in Spain
But Spanish migrantr who get UK citizenship shoould not have a vote in
UK?

--
Mark

wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:46:08 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:55:16 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:32:45 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:


And many people who were born here did not have a vote e.g. those using
EU freedom of movement to work in Europe.

There's a reason there's an "ex" in ex-pat.

So you don't want immigrants to UK to vote because they wern't born here
and you don't want people who were born here to be able to vote either.
That does not make any sense.

Born here and living here. If you've ****ed off to live in another country
you absolve any right to have an influence on whether your country of birth
remains in the EU since it is no longer your concern. And if all those chavs
and criminals living on the costas are worried about their status when we
exit then they should apply for Spanish citizenship. Ditto anywhere else.



What about those working abroad on fixed term contracts of a few years
duration?

Thats different. I'm talking about people who've gone to live abroad with
no intention of returning.


When allocating who can vote, how do you tell the difference?


Anna Noyd-Dryver

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
news
On 17/11/2016 18:59, Optimist wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:44:59 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 17/11/2016 17:00, Optimist wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:37:17 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:53:06 +0000
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 16/11/2016 09:13, Optimist wrote:

There's another aspect here though - the referendum. Legislation
for this
had been passed by
Parliament last year. The people were told that the decision was
theirs,

But who told them that? Or was the idea that it might be binding just
an
assumption made by the kind of people who don't talk about trains
using
a obscure format from the dark age of online communications?

The whole parliament must ratify nonsense is just another ploy by
Remoaners
to block Brexit. Parliment exists to enact the will of the people,
however if
the will of the people has already been made perfectly clear via a
referendum
then the role of parliament is redundant in the matter. And whats
more - if
parliament go against the will of the people then we're sliding into a
parliamentary dictatorship.

All UK needs to do is to repeal the European Communities Act and tell
the EU to make personal use of
a taxidermist.


To repeal the ECA requires that it be put before parliament, something
that May is trying to avoid.

Invoking Article 50 not the same as repealing the ECA.


You've noticed.

I still seems to be you who hasn't noticed (purely on the basis of this
converstaion)

tim

On 18/11/2016 12:55, tim... wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
news
On 17/11/2016 18:59, Optimist wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:44:59 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 17/11/2016 17:00, Optimist wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:37:17 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:53:06 +0000
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 16/11/2016 09:13, Optimist wrote:

There's another aspect here though - the referendum.
Legislation for this
had been passed by
Parliament last year. The people were told that the decision
was theirs,

But who told them that? Or was the idea that it might be binding
just an
assumption made by the kind of people who don't talk about trains
using
a obscure format from the dark age of online communications?

The whole parliament must ratify nonsense is just another ploy by
Remoaners
to block Brexit. Parliment exists to enact the will of the people,
however if
the will of the people has already been made perfectly clear via a
referendum
then the role of parliament is redundant in the matter. And whats
more - if
parliament go against the will of the people then we're sliding
into a
parliamentary dictatorship.

All UK needs to do is to repeal the European Communities Act and
tell the EU to make personal use of
a taxidermist.


To repeal the ECA requires that it be put before parliament, something
that May is trying to avoid.

Invoking Article 50 not the same as repealing the ECA.


You've noticed.

I still seems to be you who hasn't noticed (purely on the basis of this
converstaion)


Relevant selection repeated for the unobservant:

All UK needs to do is to repeal the European Communities Act and
tell the EU to make personal use of
a taxidermist.


To repeal the ECA requires that it be put before parliament, something
that May is trying to avoid.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:49:01 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
wrote:
What about those working abroad on fixed term contracts of a few years
duration?

Thats different. I'm talking about people who've gone to live abroad with
no intention of returning.

So UK migrants should get Spanish citizenship and vote in Spain
But Spanish migrantr who get UK citizenship shoould not have a vote in
UK?

As far as I'm concerned, if you weren't born in the UK you shouldn't have
had a vote in the referendum. What the spanish or any other govn do with
respect to immigrants who have taken local nationality is entirely up to them.

--
Spud

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 12:47:07 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:46:08 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:55:16 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:32:45 +0000
(Mark Bestley) wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:


And many people who were born here did not have a vote e.g. those using
EU freedom of movement to work in Europe.

There's a reason there's an "ex" in ex-pat.

So you don't want immigrants to UK to vote because they wern't born here
and you don't want people who were born here to be able to vote either.
That does not make any sense.

Born here and living here. If you've ****ed off to live in another country
you absolve any right to have an influence on whether your country of birth
remains in the EU since it is no longer your concern. And if all those
chavs
and criminals living on the costas are worried about their status when we
exit then they should apply for Spanish citizenship. Ditto anywhere else.



What about those working abroad on fixed term contracts of a few years
duration?

Thats different. I'm talking about people who've gone to live abroad with
no intention of returning.


When allocating who can vote, how do you tell the difference?

You can't with 100% certainty, but if they still have a UK address thats not a
PO Box and are still paying UK tax then its a reasonable bet they'll return.

--
Spud

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:03:05 +0000, Graeme Wall wrote:

On 18/11/2016 12:55, tim... wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
news
On 17/11/2016 18:59, Optimist wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:44:59 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 17/11/2016 17:00, Optimist wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:37:17 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:53:06 +0000
Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 16/11/2016 09:13, Optimist wrote:

There's another aspect here though - the referendum.
Legislation for this
had been passed by
Parliament last year. The people were told that the decision
was theirs,

But who told them that? Or was the idea that it might be binding
just an
assumption made by the kind of people who don't talk about trains
using
a obscure format from the dark age of online communications?

The whole parliament must ratify nonsense is just another ploy by
Remoaners
to block Brexit. Parliment exists to enact the will of the people,
however if
the will of the people has already been made perfectly clear via a
referendum
then the role of parliament is redundant in the matter. And whats
more - if
parliament go against the will of the people then we're sliding
into a
parliamentary dictatorship.

All UK needs to do is to repeal the European Communities Act and
tell the EU to make personal use of
a taxidermist.


To repeal the ECA requires that it be put before parliament, something
that May is trying to avoid.

Invoking Article 50 not the same as repealing the ECA.


You've noticed.

I still seems to be you who hasn't noticed (purely on the basis of this
converstaion)


Relevant selection repeated for the unobservant:

All UK needs to do is to repeal the European Communities Act and
tell the EU to make personal use of
a taxidermist.


To repeal the ECA requires that it be put before parliament, something
that May is trying to avoid.

AFAICS May is not trying to avoid repealing ECA, at this stage just giving EU notice.

In message , at 13:51:03 on Fri, 18 Nov
2016, d remarked:

As far as I'm concerned, if you weren't born in the UK you shouldn't have
had a vote in the referendum. What the spanish or any other govn do with
respect to immigrants who have taken local nationality is entirely up to them.

Not even if married to a Brit for 30yrs and naturalised British?
--
Roland Perry