On 2017-02-22 09:48:49 +0000, d said:

Wires look like crap. What's wrong with hydrogen buses?

Supply and storage. Though there is one hydrogen bus route in london that
runs through southwark. Can't remember the number.

RV1, which has always been rather a test bed for TfL.

Wires don't necessarily "look like crap", in any case. Decorative
poles can be used to enhance the look.

Neil
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On 22.02.2017 12:30 PM, tim... wrote:


wrote in message news
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:28 -0800 (PST)
Paul Corfield wrote:
the bus market - there are very few viable hybrid single deck buses and
ev=
en fewer all electric or hydrogen buses. China seems to have a monopoly
on=
producing electric single deckers (see those on the 507/521) and I don't
t=

European manufacturers caught napping. They only have themselves to blame.
Though I suppose given the prevalence of trolleybuses in Europe

prevalence ?

I can thing of a few places

but only a very few

certainly nowhere near enough to make it a dominant factor for suppliers

I can't think of a city I visit regularly that doesn't have them, to be
honest.

On 22.02.2017 3:10 PM, Clank wrote:
On 22.02.2017 12:30 PM, tim... wrote:


wrote in message news
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:28 -0800 (PST)
Paul Corfield wrote:
the bus market - there are very few viable hybrid single deck buses and
ev=
en fewer all electric or hydrogen buses. China seems to have a monopoly
on=
producing electric single deckers (see those on the 507/521) and I don't
t=

European manufacturers caught napping. They only have themselves to blame.
Though I suppose given the prevalence of trolleybuses in Europe

prevalence ?

I can thing of a few places

but only a very few

certainly nowhere near enough to make it a dominant factor for suppliers

I can't think of a city I visit regularly that doesn't have them, to be
honest.

(Although I do accept that the cities I visit regularly are representative
of absolutely nothing ;-). But I do regularly visit a good half dozen
cities that all have trolleybuses (as well as living in one.))

In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2017\02\22 00:36, wrote:

They have a choice, wires or choke to death. Simple

Wires look like crap. What's wrong with hydrogen buses?

What hydrogen buses?

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet)
wrote:

On 2017\02\22 00:36, wrote:

They have a choice, wires or choke to death. Simple

Wires look like crap. What's wrong with hydrogen buses?

What hydrogen buses?

These (taken back in 2014):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57648736684940

On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 11:12:21 UTC, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-02-22 09:48:49 +0000, d said:

Wires look like crap. What's wrong with hydrogen buses?

Supply and storage. Though there is one hydrogen bus route in london that
runs through southwark. Can't remember the number.

RV1, which has always been rather a test bed for TfL.

Wires don't necessarily "look like crap", in any case. Decorative
poles can be used to enhance the look.

There was an RV1 broken down on the Aldwych this morning, completely blocking half of the road.

Central London is constantly dug up and rebuilt with many bus route diversions.
A trolleybus wouldn't be able to divert along an unwired road.

They're also a nuisance when the pickup arm gets disconnected from the wires.

"Clank" wrote in message
news
On 22.02.2017 12:30 PM, tim... wrote:


wrote in message news
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:28 -0800 (PST)
Paul Corfield wrote:
the bus market - there are very few viable hybrid single deck buses and
ev=
en fewer all electric or hydrogen buses. China seems to have a monopoly
on=
producing electric single deckers (see those on the 507/521) and I
don't t=

European manufacturers caught napping. They only have themselves to
blame.
Though I suppose given the prevalence of trolleybuses in Europe

prevalence ?

I can thing of a few places

but only a very few

certainly nowhere near enough to make it a dominant factor for suppliers

I can't think of a city I visit regularly that doesn't have them, to be
honest.

I recall you live in Romania (or have I got you mixed up with some else)

Hardly a representative sample

On 23.02.2017 2:51 PM, tim... wrote:


"Clank" wrote in message
news
On 22.02.2017 12:30 PM, tim... wrote:


wrote in message news On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:28 -0800 (PST)
Paul Corfield wrote:
the bus market - there are very few viable hybrid single deck buses and
ev=
en fewer all electric or hydrogen buses. China seems to have a monopoly
on=
producing electric single deckers (see those on the 507/521) and I
don't t=

European manufacturers caught napping. They only have themselves to
blame.
Though I suppose given the prevalence of trolleybuses in Europe

prevalence ?

I can thing of a few places

but only a very few

certainly nowhere near enough to make it a dominant factor for suppliers

I can't think of a city I visit regularly that doesn't have them, to be
honest.

I recall you live in Romania (or have I got you mixed up with some else)

Hardly a representative sample

I'm not sure how where I live affects whether or not it's a representative
sample (clue: this year alone I've visited I think 7 cities in 7 countries
other than Romania, across 3 continents. Of those 7, one (Moscow) has, I
believe, the largest trolleybus system in the world, I gather, and at least
two others have systems.)

However, you're right, my sample is no more representative than, say, yours
would be. Which you'd know I'd already stated if you'd read my follow-up.

On 2017\02\23 12:11, Mark wrote:

There was an RV1 broken down on the Aldwych this morning, completely blocking half of the road.

"Oh the humanity" ;-)

Central London is constantly dug up and rebuilt with many bus route diversions.
A trolleybus wouldn't be able to divert along an unwired road.

.... unless it had a back-up battery or small diesel tank allowing a mile
or two off the wires, which would also remove the need to put countless
wires and junctions in the garage that were only used once a day.

How's the battery bus with charging pad in Walthamstow getting on?

On 2017-02-23 12:11:31 +0000, Mark said:

Central London is constantly dug up and rebuilt with many bus route diversions.
A trolleybus wouldn't be able to divert along an unwired road.

Many of them have a small generator or battery for precisely that purpose.

They're also a nuisance when the pickup arm gets disconnected from the wires.

It's not hard to put it back on using the ropes at the back.

Neil
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