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On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

--
Spud

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

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In message , at 14:50:32 on Fri, 9 Jun
2017, d remarked:
It wouldn't be free at Ongar, either (it's £4.30 at Little Chalfont), if
it had the pipedream service you advocate.

Obviously its a pipedream since its never going to happen now. No harm in
playing what-ifs though. Improved train services tend to drive greater
passenger numbers. Removing a train service from a town even if it is only
6K people is a backwards step and not something a public body should have
done IMO.

Even if the service is hopelessly uneconomic and requiring a huge
subsidy?

You mean like Mill Hill East was on the northern line for years until new
estates were built there?

Planning law has moved on.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:33:09 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:50:32 on Fri, 9 Jun
2017, d remarked:
It wouldn't be free at Ongar, either (it's £4.30 at Little Chalfont), if
it had the pipedream service you advocate.

Obviously its a pipedream since its never going to happen now. No harm in
playing what-ifs though. Improved train services tend to drive greater
passenger numbers. Removing a train service from a town even if it is only
6K people is a backwards step and not something a public body should have
done IMO.

Even if the service is hopelessly uneconomic and requiring a huge
subsidy?

You mean like Mill Hill East was on the northern line for years until new
estates were built there?

Planning law has moved on.

The point is that just because part of the tube runs at a loss doesn't mean
it should be closed down. Its a public service, not a for profit corporation.

--
Spud

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On 09.06.17 16:12, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

Any chance now of reviving that project?

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On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:51:58 +0100, "
wrote:

On 09.06.17 16:12, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

Any chance now of reviving that project?

No, it's been superseded by other idea.

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In message , at 15:44:54 on Fri, 9 Jun
2017, d remarked:

It wouldn't be free at Ongar, either (it's £4.30 at Little Chalfont), if
it had the pipedream service you advocate.

Obviously its a pipedream since its never going to happen now. No harm in
playing what-ifs though. Improved train services tend to drive greater
passenger numbers. Removing a train service from a town even if it is only
6K people is a backwards step and not something a public body should have
done IMO.

Even if the service is hopelessly uneconomic and requiring a huge
subsidy?

You mean like Mill Hill East was on the northern line for years until new
estates were built there?

Planning law has moved on.

The point is that just because part of the tube runs at a loss doesn't mean
it should be closed down. Its a public service, not a for profit corporation.

Still needs to serve a cost-effective portion of the public.
--
Roland Perry

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On 09.06.17 16:57, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:51:58 +0100, "
wrote:

On 09.06.17 16:12, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

Any chance now of reviving that project?

No, it's been superseded by other idea.

Such as?

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It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.