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In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

d;162167 Wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:-
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.-

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted
move ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only
has bus connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A
branch of the northern line would transform it into one of the most
desirable suburbs in London (given the view and other facilities) and
probably send the house prices stratospheric.

It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.

That's a bit economical with the truth. It was included in the 1935-40 plan
and considerable works were done by London Transport, including Highgate
station, cabling and some conductor rail installations. The residual train
service was provided by BR but then so was it to Epping and Ongar until 1957.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.

Spud's point is that closing the line was foolish. Certainly today,
in today's political climate, no line would be closed. In 1954
attitudes and assumptions were quite different.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/m...ll/index.shtml
provides a good thumbnail history.

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In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.

It was a lot more than preparatory work. Have you ever looked at Highgate
station? It was close to ready for trains to run. London Underground didn't
take over the Ongar train service before 1957 but they had taken over the
line long before then.

Spud's point is that closing the line was foolish. Certainly today,
in today's political climate, no line would be closed. In 1954
attitudes and assumptions were quite different.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/m...ll/index.shtml
provides a good thumbnail history.

Yes, some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 05:42:17
on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:

some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!
--
Roland Perry

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
05:42:17 on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:

some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message , at 08:01:41
on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:

some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

I'm not a petrolhead as such, but sometimes private cars are the least
worst way to empower the requisite number of journeys.
--
Roland Perry

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On 11.06.17 10:28, Robin9 wrote:
;162178 Wrote:
In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:
-
d;162167 Wrote: -
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:-
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.-

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted
sighted
move ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that
only
has bus connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A
branch of the northern line would transform it into one of the most
desirable suburbs in London (given the view and other facilities) and
probably send the house prices stratospheric.-

It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track
bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.-

That's a bit economical with the truth. It was included in the 1935-40
plan
and considerable works were done by London Transport, including Highgate

station, cabling and some conductor rail installations. The residual
train
service was provided by BR but then so was it to Epping and Ongar until
1957.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.

Spud's point is that closing the line was foolish. Certainly today,
in today's political climate, no line would be closed. In 1954
attitudes and assumptions were quite different.

Reminds me of South Kentish Town; They closed the station on a whim,
AIUI, due to low passenger volumes.

I would ask about the prospects of reactivating that station, but I know
that they are less than zero.

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On 11.06.17 21:03, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On 11.06.17 10:28, Robin9 wrote:
;162178 Wrote:
In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:
-
d;162167 Wrote: -
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:-
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.-

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted
sighted
move ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that
only
has bus connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A
branch of the northern line would transform it into one of the most
desirable suburbs in London (given the view and other facilities) and
probably send the house prices stratospheric.-

It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track
bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.-

That's a bit economical with the truth. It was included in the 1935-40
plan
and considerable works were done by London Transport, including Highgate

station, cabling and some conductor rail installations. The residual
train
service was provided by BR but then so was it to Epping and Ongar until
1957.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.

Spud's point is that closing the line was foolish. Certainly today,
in today's political climate, no line would be closed. In 1954
attitudes and assumptions were quite different.

Reminds me of South Kentish Town; They closed the station on a whim,
AIUI, due to low passenger volumes.

I would ask about the prospects of reactivating that station, but I know
that they are less than zero.

Yes, I don't think any of the Tube stations that were closed early in their
lives because of low traffic have been reopened. Perhaps the one with the
best, albeit still very low, chance of reopening is York Road on the Picc,
thanks to all the new developments on the former Kings Cross railway lands.
The demand would be there, but the cost of reopening it to modern standards
would be high

Well, the matrix for the station is there -- at least part of it.

and the extra stop would slow down evry train on the line.

So, adjust the schedules.

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