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In message , Robin9
writes

;162178 Wrote:
In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:
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d;162167 Wrote: -
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:-
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.-

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted
sighted
move ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that
only
has bus connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A
branch of the northern line would transform it into one of the most
desirable suburbs in London (given the view and other facilities) and
probably send the house prices stratospheric.-

It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track
bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.-

That's a bit economical with the truth. It was included in the 1935-40
plan
and considerable works were done by London Transport, including Highgate

station, cabling and some conductor rail installations. The residual
train
service was provided by BR but then so was it to Epping and Ongar until
1957.

I mentioned it before. When I was a Haringey Councillor in the 80s & on
the Alexander Palace & Park Committee I proposed a unique 24/7 light
railway on that route. It would have been financed by the (then) EEC. I
organised a presentation. The cars would run partly on the ground and
partly suspended. Depending on demand either 1 car or multi cars

After a vote it was turned down partly because the track was now the
Parkland Walk and partly because the overhead section would pass an Old
People's Home which had been built on part of the track and the railway
passing the windows would "scare the residents"
--
Bryan Morris
Public Key http://www.pgp.uk.demon.net - 0xCC6237E9

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In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
08:01:41 on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:

some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

I'm not a petrolhead as such, but sometimes private cars are the
least worst way to empower the requisite number of journeys.

In London? Are you mad??!!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On 12/06/2017 01:25, wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
08:01:41 on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:

some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

I'm not a petrolhead as such, but sometimes private cars are the
least worst way to empower the requisite number of journeys.

In London? Are you mad??!!


Even those of us who live in London, sometimes like to leave London and
apparently places in the provincess aren't as well served by public
transport.

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In message , at 19:25:56
on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:
some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

I'm not a petrolhead as such, but sometimes private cars are the
least worst way to empower the requisite number of journeys.

In London? Are you mad??!!

No. Avoiding London, which is what the Ringways were for.
--
Roland Perry

I have been to Highgate Station several times. I'm wondering
what you're seeing that I'm not.

If one stands at the Priory Gardens entrance, the dilapidated
remnants of the original station are clearly visible. Access to
the Northern Line involves walking under them. Any plan
London Underground might have had to take over the branch
to Ally Pally would not have incorporated using the original
station. It would have involved branching off from their own
Underground station and joining the original track where it runs
alongside Highgate Wood. (Still today in Highgate Wood there is
a demarcation fence separating the wood from the railway land)

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On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:42:17 -0500
wrote:
In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.

It was a lot more than preparatory work. Have you ever looked at Highgate
station? It was close to ready for trains to run. London Underground didn't
take over the Ongar train service before 1957 but they had taken over the
line long before then.

As an aside, if you walk along the parkland walk now you can still see the
old concrete cable posts that LT put in. Reinstating the line is not beyond
the bounds of possibility - the trackbed is still mostly clear apart from
one nursery school at muswell hill which could be relocated 10 metres sideways
to avoid the line. I suppose the only really issue is that now running to
moorgate isn't an option it would have to be a shuttle service terminating at
highgate high level which wouldn't be ideal in the rush hour though I suspect
a lot more desirable than the current bus service to wood green option.

--
Spud

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:46:39 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:25:56
on Sun, 11 Jun 2017, remarked:
some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

I'm not a petrolhead as such, but sometimes private cars are the
least worst way to empower the requisite number of journeys.

In London? Are you mad??!!

No. Avoiding London, which is what the Ringways were for.

I'm not sure you can say with a straight face that the north circular avoids
london given its about 5 miles inside it!

--
Spud

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:14:25 +0100
Robin9 wrote:
;162181 Wrote:
It was a lot more than preparatory work. Have you ever looked at
Highgate
station? It was close to ready for trains to run. London Underground
didn't
take over the Ongar train service before 1957 but they had taken over
the
line long before then.
--
Colin Rosenstiel

I have been to Highgate Station several times. I'm wondering
what you're seeing that I'm not.

If one stands at the Priory Gardens entrance, the dilapidated
remnants of the original station are clearly visible. Access to

Thats not the original station, LT rebuilt it AFAIK.

the Northern Line involves walking under them. Any plan
London Underground might have had to take over the branch
to Ally Pally would not have incorporated using the original
station. It would have involved branching off from their own
Underground station and joining the original track where it runs
alongside Highgate Wood. (Still today in Highgate Wood there is
a demarcation fence separating the wood from the railway land)

You're 'avin a laff. The track gradient would probably have to be about 45
degrees to get from highgate low level to the track before the palace branch!

--
Spud

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:14:25 +0100, Robin9 wrote:

;162181 Wrote:
In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:
-
With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.-

It was a lot more than preparatory work. Have you ever looked at
Highgate
station? It was close to ready for trains to run. London Underground
didn't
take over the Ongar train service before 1957 but they had taken over
the
line long before then.
--
Colin Rosenstiel

I have been to Highgate Station several times. I'm wondering
what you're seeing that I'm not.

If one stands at the Priory Gardens entrance, the dilapidated
remnants of the original station are clearly visible. Access to
the Northern Line involves walking under them. Any plan
London Underground might have had to take over the branch
to Ally Pally would not have incorporated using the original
station. It would have involved branching off from their own
Underground station and joining the original track where it runs
alongside Highgate Wood. (Still today in Highgate Wood there is
a demarcation fence separating the wood from the railway land)

The 1930s plan was for trains from Finsbury Park to run through
Highgate high level platforms and then onto East Finchley or Ally
Pally. The route from Archway doesn't surface until well past
the turn off to Ally Pally. There is a map of the planned route at
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/h/highgate/ along with photos of the
high level platforms showing the new platform buildings built in 1940/41.

If you stood on the high level platforms around 25 years ago you could
walk down the stairs and see into the back of some of the underground
offices.

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In message , at 08:35:03 on Mon, 12 Jun
2017, d remarked:
some stupidly short-sighted decisions were taken up to the 1970s.

Some might say failing to build Ringways 1-4 was one of those!

Certainly not! I never knew you were such a petrolhead.

I'm not a petrolhead as such, but sometimes private cars are the
least worst way to empower the requisite number of journeys.

In London? Are you mad??!!

No. Avoiding London, which is what the Ringways were for.

I'm not sure you can say with a straight face that the north circular avoids
london given its about 5 miles inside it!

It avoids a great deal of London, such as Hampstead and Cricklewood.

On the other hand the South Circular is known as "a collection of
signposts" rather than a road which avoids anything.
--
Roland Perry