On 09.06.17 10:45, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 09:44:06 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:40:15 on Fri, 9 Jun
2017, d remarked:
This was the furthest outpost of the Central Line, served by 59/60
stock, even though it's always been a country branch line.

Given the distances people commute now, I can't help wondering if LU had
upgraded the line and given it a half decent , possibly even through service
instead of treating it like some part time afterthought, there might by now
be considerably more passengers on it than there were back when it was part of
LU. Ongar is a reasonably sized small town which if south of london on a
railway would be prime commuter belt territory.

Ongar's not as big as you think, and the rail journey was very slow with

~6000 people according to wikipedia, about the same as little chalfont on
the Met.

almost no additional catchment until Epping. It's far easier to drive to
Brentwood station.

Yes, the journey was slow because the trains were slow, infrequent and the
journey involved a change. If it had a similar service level to Epping however
I suspect it might be a different story. I doubt the traffic around Brentwood
is much fun and I suspect the parking at the station isn't free either assuming
there are any free spaces.


I think the Green Belt put paid to that branch, just as it killed off other
remote Tube expansion plans.


Like what?

On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:14:14 +0100, "
wrote:

On 09.06.17 10:45, Recliner wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 09:44:06 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:40:15 on Fri, 9 Jun
2017, d remarked:
This was the furthest outpost of the Central Line, served by 59/60
stock, even though it's always been a country branch line.

Given the distances people commute now, I can't help wondering if LU had
upgraded the line and given it a half decent , possibly even through service
instead of treating it like some part time afterthought, there might by now
be considerably more passengers on it than there were back when it was part of
LU. Ongar is a reasonably sized small town which if south of london on a
railway would be prime commuter belt territory.

Ongar's not as big as you think, and the rail journey was very slow with

~6000 people according to wikipedia, about the same as little chalfont on
the Met.

almost no additional catchment until Epping. It's far easier to drive to
Brentwood station.

Yes, the journey was slow because the trains were slow, infrequent and the
journey involved a change. If it had a similar service level to Epping however
I suspect it might be a different story. I doubt the traffic around Brentwood
is much fun and I suspect the parking at the station isn't free either assuming
there are any free spaces.


I think the Green Belt put paid to that branch, just as it killed off other
remote Tube expansion plans.


Like what?

Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

--
Spud

On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

On 09.06.17 16:12, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

Any chance now of reviving that project?

On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:51:58 +0100, "
wrote:

On 09.06.17 16:12, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

Any chance now of reviving that project?

No, it's been superseded by other idea.

On 09.06.17 16:57, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:51:58 +0100, "
wrote:

On 09.06.17 16:12, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:54:19 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted move
ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only has bus
connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A branch of the
northern line would transform it into one of the most desirable suburbs in
London (given the view and other facilities) and probably send the house
prices stratospheric.

Yes, I think that extension should have happened.

Any chance now of reviving that project?

No, it's been superseded by other idea.

Such as?

It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.

In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

d;162167 Wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:50:24 +0100
Recliner wrote:-
Central Line to Denham; Northern Line to Bushey Heath and Alexandra
Palace; Met Line to Quainton Road, Brill and Verney Junction.-

Ripping up the line to alexandra palace was IMO the most shorted sighted
move ever made by LT. Muswell Hill is a buzzing crowded suburb that only
has bus connections which are utterly hopeless in the rush hour. A
branch of the northern line would transform it into one of the most
desirable suburbs in London (given the view and other facilities) and
probably send the house prices stratospheric.

It wasn't closed by London Transport. The tube never went there.
London Underground took over only the stretch between Highgate
and Barnet.

Alexander Palace was the terminus of the branch line from Finsbury
Park and was closed by British Rail in the early/mid 1950s. The track bed
between Finsbury Park and Highgate is now a public footpath.

That's a bit economical with the truth. It was included in the 1935-40 plan
and considerable works were done by London Transport, including Highgate
station, cabling and some conductor rail installations. The residual train
service was provided by BR but then so was it to Epping and Ongar until 1957.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

With all due respect, the fact that London Transport did some
preparatory work does not mean very much. That work came to
nothing. London Underground did not take over the line to
Alexander Palace which was closed by BR in July 1954.

Spud's point is that closing the line was foolish. Certainly today,
in today's political climate, no line would be closed. In 1954
attitudes and assumptions were quite different.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/m...ll/index.shtml
provides a good thumbnail history.