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Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report

A few interesting things in the report.

1. Provision to be made for a station, with island platform, to be added at Renwick Road.

2. Lots of argument from one petitioner about the elevated line structure into Riverside preventing a cross Thames tunnel to Abbey Wood. This was dismissed by the Inspector who was content that unlocking the extra housing at Barking Riverside would compensate for any monetary loss if the elevated alignment has to be demolished if a tunnelled link is eventually constructed..

3. Interesting comments from TfL about possibly running a 6 tph passenger service *and* 6 freights an hour on the GOBLIN itself. Not quite sure how that works current signalling.

4. Another interesting possibility of extending planned peak extra trains from Enfield to Seven Sisters onwards to Barking via the S Tott curve. As the trains will be common stock in future this would give 6 tph from S Tott to Barking in the peaks. No timescale given, though, for this possible variant service.

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On 2017\08\06 23:38, Paul Corfield wrote:
Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report

A few interesting things in the report.

1. Provision to be made for a station, with island platform, to be added at Renwick Road.

2. Lots of argument from one petitioner about the elevated line structure into Riverside preventing a cross Thames tunnel to Abbey Wood. This was dismissed by the Inspector who was content that unlocking the extra housing at Barking Riverside would compensate for any monetary loss if the elevated alignment has to be demolished if a tunnelled link is eventually constructed.

3. Interesting comments from TfL about possibly running a 6 tph passenger service *and* 6 freights an hour on the GOBLIN itself. Not quite sure how that works current signalling.

4. Another interesting possibility of extending planned peak extra trains from Enfield to Seven Sisters onwards to Barking via the S Tott curve. As the trains will be common stock in future this would give 6 tph from S Tott to Barking in the peaks. No timescale given, though, for this possible variant service.


Thanks.

Clarification... At the moment trains from Barking to Seven Sisters have
to cut across to the Barking-bound track halfway through South Tottenham
station, so the 6tph from South Tottenham to Barking would presumably
skip South Tottenham in the other direction. They might even skip South
Tottenham in both directions to save confusing people - South Tottenham
is pretty close to Seven Sisters.
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Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to Barking Riverside, last week.

Go-ahead for London Overground Barking Riverside extension

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report

A few interesting things in the report.

1. Provision to be made for a station, with island platform, to be added at Renwick Road.

2. Lots of argument from one petitioner about the elevated line structure into Riverside preventing a cross Thames tunnel to Abbey Wood. This was dismissed by the Inspector who was content that unlocking the extra housing at Barking Riverside would compensate for any monetary loss if the elevated alignment has to be demolished if a tunnelled link is eventually constructed..

3. Interesting comments from TfL about possibly running a 6 tph passenger service *and* 6 freights an hour on the GOBLIN itself. Not quite sure how that works current signalling.

4. Another interesting possibility of extending planned peak extra trains from Enfield to Seven Sisters onwards to Barking via the S Tott curve. As the trains will be common stock in future this would give 6 tph from S Tott to Barking in the peaks. No timescale given, though, for this possible variant service.

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I wonder if Network Rail agree about the feasibility of 6 passenger
trains and 6 freight trains an hour. (Mind you, I've never seen any
evidence that there's a need for 6 freight paths an hour!)

I don't know how likely a cross Thames extension is, but I hope
it won't require much demolition of newly created infrastructure.
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Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to Barking Riverside, last week . . .

4. Another interesting possibility of extending planned peak extra trains from Enfield to Seven Sisters onwards to Barking via the S Tott curve. As the trains will be common stock in future this would give 6 tph from S Tott to Barking in the peaks. No timescale given, though, for this possible variant service.

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I'm intrigued by this suggestion. Obviously it's prompted partly
by the mass migration to the Victoria Line at Seven Sisters -
Tottenham Hale and Blackhorse Road stations see similar levels -
but will this not require selective door operation at GOBLIN stations
whose platforms have been lengthened to cater only for 4 coaches?
Or is it the intention to run special 4 coach trains from Enfield?
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 15:38:24 -0700 (PDT), Paul Corfield
wrote:

Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report


Does this mean that construction can now start, or are there more
stages and hurdles to pass?


A few interesting things in the report.

1. Provision to be made for a station, with island platform, to be added at Renwick Road.

2. Lots of argument from one petitioner about the elevated line structure into Riverside preventing a cross Thames tunnel to Abbey Wood. This was dismissed by the Inspector who was content that unlocking the extra housing at Barking Riverside would compensate for any monetary loss if the elevated alignment has to be demolished if a tunnelled link is eventually constructed.

3. Interesting comments from TfL about possibly running a 6 tph passenger service *and* 6 freights an hour on the GOBLIN itself. Not quite sure how that works current signalling.

4. Another interesting possibility of extending planned peak extra trains from Enfield to Seven Sisters onwards to Barking via the S Tott curve. As the trains will be common stock in future this would give 6 tph from S Tott to Barking in the peaks. No timescale given, though, for this possible variant service.

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In message , at 14:55:14 on
Mon, 7 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to
Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report


Does this mean that construction can now start, or are there more
stages and hurdles to pass?


One of the biggest: can TfL actually raise the funds (or even still wish
to raise the funds) to do the work, now that they have "planning
permission" to do the work?
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:04:41 +0100, Roland Perry
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In message , at 14:55:14 on
Mon, 7 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:

Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to
Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report


Does this mean that construction can now start, or are there more
stages and hurdles to pass?


One of the biggest: can TfL actually raise the funds (or even still wish
to raise the funds) to do the work, now that they have "planning
permission" to do the work?


Is it TfL or NR that raises the finds to build the track?
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In message , at 15:05:45 on
Mon, 7 Aug 2017, Recliner remarked:
Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to
Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report

Does this mean that construction can now start, or are there more
stages and hurdles to pass?


One of the biggest: can TfL actually raise the funds (or even still wish
to raise the funds) to do the work, now that they have "planning
permission" to do the work?


Is it TfL or NR that raises the finds to build the track?


Inside London such projects are traditionally TfL's hat being passed
around.
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On Monday, 7 August 2017 14:55:15 UTC+1, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 15:38:24 -0700 (PDT), Paul Corfield
wrote:

Chris Grayling, SoS for Transport, signed off the Transport and Works Act Order, for the extension of the Barking - Gospel Oak service to Barking Riverside, last week.

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...tml?channel=00

Decision letter - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...order-decision

Inspector's report - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pectors-report


Does this mean that construction can now start, or are there more
stages and hurdles to pass?


A few interesting things in the report.

1. Provision to be made for a station, with island platform, to be added at Renwick Road.

2. Lots of argument from one petitioner about the elevated line structure into Riverside preventing a cross Thames tunnel to Abbey Wood. This was dismissed by the Inspector who was content that unlocking the extra housing at Barking Riverside would compensate for any monetary loss if the elevated alignment has to be demolished if a tunnelled link is eventually constructed.

3. Interesting comments from TfL about possibly running a 6 tph passenger service *and* 6 freights an hour on the GOBLIN itself. Not quite sure how that works current signalling.

4. Another interesting possibility of extending planned peak extra trains from Enfield to Seven Sisters onwards to Barking via the S Tott curve. As the trains will be common stock in future this would give 6 tph from S Tott to Barking in the peaks. No timescale given, though, for this possible variant service.


I'll answer Roland's question first. The scheme is fully funded by TfL (circa £90m) and also the body responsible for redeveloping Barking Riverside (circa £170m). This was all signed off before the last Mayoral election. It is worth noting that Barking Riverside can't be developed further without a fixed transport link being provided - it's a key planning condition.

I understand that the plan is that preparatory works start later this year. TfL then have to complete their procurement process to agree the final bidder for the work. There are also a number of standard planning approvals needed - many are set out in the conditions to the TWA order. Given TfL have been working with Barking and Dagenham Council for a long time this should not be hugely problematic. B&D Council want the extension built so I can't see them being hugely argumentative. Substantive works will probably start next year with completion in 2021.

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