On 07/11/2017 13:55, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 10:10:09 +0000, Robin said:

With the cyclists having priority over pedestrians who want to cross
the road?

With zebra crossings.

With kerbs to confine cyclists (which become a trip hazard for
pedestrians) or just paint on the road?

Kerbs (people don't trip over them elsewhere, what a silly statemen) or
bollards would do.

With provision for parking for cycles outside Selfridges, M&S, etc
etc? (I know cyclists can walk bikes through a pedestrianised area but
I question whether Oxford Street traders want to encourage that rather
than a "park and walk" approach.)

If there's demand for it, why not?

Neil

There's a demand to allow parking outside Selfridges, should we allow that?

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On 2017\11\07 09:50, Neil Williams wrote:

I reckon a tram down the middle would work fine
With depot where?

(Not a serious suggestion... but the unused space under Kingsway could
be a tram depot...)

On 2017-11-07 14:52:07 +0000, Robin said:

What you want patently isn't a pedestrianised zone. It's a road,
restricted to pedal cycles, with 2 wide footways.

If you'd like to call it that, yes.

And demand from pedestrians doesn't count?

Demand to exclude others is not something I tend to give much credence
to, TBH. Two very wide kerbs with a cycle road about 7' wide down the
middle would give plenty of circulating space.

Neil
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On 2017-11-07 15:02:26 +0000, Tony Dragon said:

There's a demand to allow parking outside Selfridges, should we allow that?

There isn't enough land for that, unlike a narrow cycleway. If
Selfridges wish to build an underground car park on their premises I
can't see why I would object to that.

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On 2017\11\07 15:45, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 15:02:26 +0000, Tony Dragon said:

There's a demand to allow parking outside Selfridges, should we allow
that?

There isn't enough land for that, unlike a narrow cycleway.Â* If
Selfridges wish to build an underground car park on their premises I
can't see why I would object to that.

Selfridges has a car park inside the building above ground level,
whereas the delivery bays appear to be beneath the building.

On 07/11/2017 15:44, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 14:52:07 +0000, Robin said:

What you want patently isn't a pedestrianised zone.Â*Â* It's a road,
restricted to pedal cycles, with 2 wide footways.

If you'd like to call it that, yes.

And demand from pedestrians doesn't count?

Demand to exclude others is not something I tend to give much credence
to, TBH.

So you don't give much credence to the demand to exclude motor vehicles?

Two very wide kerbs with a cycle road about 7' wide down the
middle would give plenty of circulating space.


It's a funny meaning of "circulating space" that allows you to move
freely East-West but constrains you North-South.

But the consultation is open to all so you are of course free to lobby
against eg their "raise the existing carriageway to be flush with the
footways thus removing obstacles for disabled people and people
with buggies" and the concepts in their artist's impressions of
centrally placed seating and lighting.



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On 07/11/2017 09:50, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 08:34:24 +0000, Offramp said:

On Monday, 6 November 2017 15:34:18 UTC, ReclinerÂ* wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41878406

That's a good idea, possibly the best solution. Ped-precinct only from
Baker St/Selfridges to Regent St. The biggest problem is where all
those buses will go.

This is a bad idea: "An 800m-long work of public art could be
commissioned". Sounds like a waste of time, space and money.

I reckon a tram down the middle would work fine just as it does in
Manchester.Â* I also think it could do with a narrow (one abreast in each
direction) cycleway down the middle.

Neil

No, just make it a pedestrian zone, but allow delivery vehicles after
midnight until, perhaps 6am.

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On 2017-11-07 16:23:00 +0000, Robin said:

So you don't give much credence to the demand to exclude motor vehicles?

Motor vehicles are a wier issue in London.

It's a funny meaning of "circulating space" that allows you to move
freely East-West but constrains you North-South.

Hardly much of a constraint.

But the consultation is open to all so you are of course free to lobby
against eg their "raise the existing carriageway to be flush with the
footways thus removing obstacles for disabled people and people
with buggies" and the concepts in their artist's impressions of
centrally placed seating and lighting.

You've heard of dropped kerbs?

Neil
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