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On Monday, 6 November 2017 15:34:18 UTC, Recliner wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41878406


That's a good idea, possibly the best solution. Ped-precinct only from Baker St/Selfridges to Regent St. The biggest problem is where all those buses will go.

This is a bad idea: "An 800m-long work of public art could be commissioned". Sounds like a waste of time, space and money.
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On 2017-11-07 08:34:24 +0000, Offramp said:

On Monday, 6 November 2017 15:34:18 UTC, Recliner wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41878406


That's a good idea, possibly the best solution. Ped-precinct only from
Baker St/Selfridges to Regent St. The biggest problem is where all
those buses will go.

This is a bad idea: "An 800m-long work of public art could be
commissioned". Sounds like a waste of time, space and money.


I reckon a tram down the middle would work fine just as it does in
Manchester. I also think it could do with a narrow (one abreast in
each direction) cycleway down the middle.

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On 2017-11-07 08:34:24 +0000, Offramp said:

On Monday, 6 November 2017 15:34:18 UTC, Recliner wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41878406


That's a good idea, possibly the best solution. Ped-precinct only from
Baker St/Selfridges to Regent St. The biggest problem is where all those
buses will go.

This is a bad idea: "An 800m-long work of public art could be
commissioned". Sounds like a waste of time, space and money.


I reckon a tram down the middle would work fine just as it does in
Manchester. I also think it could do with a narrow (one abreast in each
direction) cycleway down the middle.


problem with a tram down the middle is that you have to have another 10
miles at either end to make it worthwhile

Busses don't run down OS just to serve Oxford street, they do as as the the
main E-W thoroughfare to use as part of their longer route

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On 07/11/2017 09:50, Neil Williams wrote:
* I also think it could do with a narrow (one abreast in each
direction) cycleway down the middle.

With the cyclists having priority over pedestrians who want to cross the
road?

With kerbs to confine cyclists (which become a trip hazard for
pedestrians) or just paint on the road?

With the same level of enforcement faced by cyclists on pavements - ie
none unless in exceptional circumstances (which appears to mean
something like "if you kill or seriously injure someone")?

With provision for parking for cycles outside Selfridges, M&S, etc etc?
(I know cyclists can walk bikes through a pedestrianised area but I
question whether Oxford Street traders want to encourage that rather
than a "park and walk" approach.)


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On 2017-11-07, Neil Williams wrote:
I also think it could do with a narrow (one abreast in
each direction) cycleway down the middle.


I disagree. If there is a cycleway then it has to be wide enough for
cyclists to miss pedestrians who will step out infront of them.

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On 2017-11-07 10:10:09 +0000, Robin said:

With the cyclists having priority over pedestrians who want to cross the road?


With zebra crossings.

With kerbs to confine cyclists (which become a trip hazard for
pedestrians) or just paint on the road?


Kerbs (people don't trip over them elsewhere, what a silly statemen) or
bollards would do.

With provision for parking for cycles outside Selfridges, M&S, etc etc?
(I know cyclists can walk bikes through a pedestrianised area but I
question whether Oxford Street traders want to encourage that rather
than a "park and walk" approach.)


If there's demand for it, why not?

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On 2017-11-07 11:01:23 +0000, Tim Woodall said:

I disagree. If there is a cycleway then it has to be wide enough for
cyclists to miss pedestrians who will step out infront of them.


They have brakes, don't they?

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In message , at 13:56:04 on Tue, 7 Nov
2017, Neil Williams remarked:

I disagree. If there is a cycleway then it has to be wide enough for
cyclists to miss pedestrians who will step out infront of them.


They have brakes, don't they?


Famously, not always. Or was that your point?
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On 07/11/2017 13:55, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 10:10:09 +0000, Robin said:

With the cyclists having priority over pedestrians who want to cross
the road?


With zebra crossings.


"We've abolished the bottle necks of controlled crossings!"

"But we've reintroduced the fun of scrums as cyclists try to negotiate
never-ending streams of pedestrians."

With kerbs to confine cyclists (which become a trip hazard for
pedestrians) or just paint on the road?


Kerbs (people don't trip over them elsewhere, what a silly statemen) or
bollards would do.


They are a trip hazard when *within* a pedestrianised zone.

What you want patently isn't a pedestrianised zone. It's a road,
restricted to pedal cycles, with 2 wide footways.


With provision for parking for cycles outside Selfridges, M&S, etc
etc? (I know cyclists can walk bikes through a pedestrianised area but
I question whether Oxford Street traders want to encourage that rather
than a "park and walk" approach.)


If there's demand for it, why not?


And demand from pedestrians doesn't count?

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