On 07/11/2017 13:55, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 10:10:09 +0000, Robin said:

With the cyclists having priority over pedestrians who want to cross
the road?

With zebra crossings.

"We've abolished the bottle necks of controlled crossings!"

"But we've reintroduced the fun of scrums as cyclists try to negotiate
never-ending streams of pedestrians."

With kerbs to confine cyclists (which become a trip hazard for
pedestrians) or just paint on the road?

Kerbs (people don't trip over them elsewhere, what a silly statemen) or
bollards would do.

They are a trip hazard when *within* a pedestrianised zone.

What you want patently isn't a pedestrianised zone. It's a road,
restricted to pedal cycles, with 2 wide footways.


With provision for parking for cycles outside Selfridges, M&S, etc
etc? (I know cyclists can walk bikes through a pedestrianised area but
I question whether Oxford Street traders want to encourage that rather
than a "park and walk" approach.)

If there's demand for it, why not?


And demand from pedestrians doesn't count?

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On 2017-11-07 14:52:07 +0000, Robin said:

What you want patently isn't a pedestrianised zone. It's a road,
restricted to pedal cycles, with 2 wide footways.

If you'd like to call it that, yes.

And demand from pedestrians doesn't count?

Demand to exclude others is not something I tend to give much credence
to, TBH. Two very wide kerbs with a cycle road about 7' wide down the
middle would give plenty of circulating space.

Neil
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On 07/11/2017 15:44, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2017-11-07 14:52:07 +0000, Robin said:

What you want patently isn't a pedestrianised zone.Â*Â* It's a road,
restricted to pedal cycles, with 2 wide footways.

If you'd like to call it that, yes.

And demand from pedestrians doesn't count?

Demand to exclude others is not something I tend to give much credence
to, TBH.

So you don't give much credence to the demand to exclude motor vehicles?

Two very wide kerbs with a cycle road about 7' wide down the
middle would give plenty of circulating space.


It's a funny meaning of "circulating space" that allows you to move
freely East-West but constrains you North-South.

But the consultation is open to all so you are of course free to lobby
against eg their "raise the existing carriageway to be flush with the
footways thus removing obstacles for disabled people and people
with buggies" and the concepts in their artist's impressions of
centrally placed seating and lighting.



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On 2017-11-07 16:23:00 +0000, Robin said:

So you don't give much credence to the demand to exclude motor vehicles?

Motor vehicles are a wier issue in London.

It's a funny meaning of "circulating space" that allows you to move
freely East-West but constrains you North-South.

Hardly much of a constraint.

But the consultation is open to all so you are of course free to lobby
against eg their "raise the existing carriageway to be flush with the
footways thus removing obstacles for disabled people and people
with buggies" and the concepts in their artist's impressions of
centrally placed seating and lighting.

You've heard of dropped kerbs?

Neil
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