On Friday, 29 June 2018 16:48:00 UTC+1, wrote:

Possibly. They're certainly cynical enough to do that.

Cynical gits for demanding the right fare. What gits.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 29 June 2018 16:48:00 UTC+1, wrote:

Possibly. They're certainly cynical enough to do that.

Cynical gits for demanding the right fare. What gits.

No, cynical for not making it clear that the next stop is the only DLR station
in zone 1 and people should have the right tickets. But instead, hey, lets
just send in the grippers and extract penalty fares instead.

Why the DLR doesn't just install gatelines is a mystery to me. Its a proper
metro system now, not the toytown train of the 80s and should start acting
like one.

On 02/07/2018 09:32, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 29 June 2018 16:48:00 UTC+1, wrote:

Possibly. They're certainly cynical enough to do that.

Cynical gits for demanding the right fare. What gits.

No, cynical for not making it clear that the next stop is the only DLR station
in zone 1 and people should have the right tickets. But instead, hey, lets
just send in the grippers and extract penalty fares instead.

Why the DLR doesn't just install gatelines is a mystery to me. Its a proper
metro system now, not the toytown train of the 80s and should start acting
like one.

Because then you'd have to staff every station, and one person isn't
sufficient so you'd need a second, then for every person you'd need 4 to
cover all the shifts and then you'd have to install the gateline
hardware and make sure there was sufficient circulation room to avoid
crushes at the gateline and so on and so on....

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:42:43 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 02/07/2018 09:32, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 29 June 2018 16:48:00 UTC+1, wrote:

Possibly. They're certainly cynical enough to do that.

Cynical gits for demanding the right fare. What gits.

No, cynical for not making it clear that the next stop is the only DLR
station
in zone 1 and people should have the right tickets. But instead, hey, lets
just send in the grippers and extract penalty fares instead.

Why the DLR doesn't just install gatelines is a mystery to me. Its a proper
metro system now, not the toytown train of the 80s and should start acting
like one.

Because then you'd have to staff every station, and one person isn't
sufficient so you'd need a second, then for every person you'd need 4 to
cover all the shifts and then you'd have to install the gateline
hardware and make sure there was sufficient circulation room to avoid
crushes at the gateline and so on and so on....

I can't see anyone having a problem with more staff at DLR stations. Except
maybe the franchise operators shareholders. Who is running it this week
anyway?

On 02/07/2018 11:53, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:42:43 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 02/07/2018 09:32, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 29 June 2018 16:48:00 UTC+1, wrote:

Possibly. They're certainly cynical enough to do that.

Cynical gits for demanding the right fare. What gits.

No, cynical for not making it clear that the next stop is the only DLR
station
in zone 1 and people should have the right tickets. But instead, hey, lets
just send in the grippers and extract penalty fares instead.

Why the DLR doesn't just install gatelines is a mystery to me. Its a proper
metro system now, not the toytown train of the 80s and should start acting
like one.

Because then you'd have to staff every station, and one person isn't
sufficient so you'd need a second, then for every person you'd need 4 to
cover all the shifts and then you'd have to install the gateline
hardware and make sure there was sufficient circulation room to avoid
crushes at the gateline and so on and so on....

I can't see anyone having a problem with more staff at DLR stations. Except
maybe the franchise operators shareholders. Who is running it this week
anyway?

Yeah - pity about the £12M per annum staff only cost , let alone the
cost of running the gateline plus staff facilities (where do they go to
the toilet?) and so on.

(before you question it, £30k per person, 4.5 people to cover 19 hours
per day all week, 2 people on duty at any one time, so 9 people per
station, 45 stations)

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:14:04 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 02/07/2018 11:53, wrote:
Because then you'd have to staff every station, and one person isn't
sufficient so you'd need a second, then for every person you'd need 4 to
cover all the shifts and then you'd have to install the gateline
hardware and make sure there was sufficient circulation room to avoid
crushes at the gateline and so on and so on....

I can't see anyone having a problem with more staff at DLR stations. Except
maybe the franchise operators shareholders. Who is running it this week
anyway?

Yeah - pity about the £12M per annum staff only cost , let alone the
cost of running the gateline plus staff facilities (where do they go to
the toilet?) and so on.

(before you question it, £30k per person, 4.5 people to cover 19 hours
per day all week, 2 people on duty at any one time, so 9 people per
station, 45 stations)

Yeah, clearly an impossibility as demonstrated by it being done by LU and
virtually every TOC in the country now.

And its not like the DLR has had to extend its train lengths twice and is
absolutely rammed so gets little income from the fare pot.

On 02/07/2018 15:23, wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:14:04 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 02/07/2018 11:53, wrote:
Because then you'd have to staff every station, and one person isn't
sufficient so you'd need a second, then for every person you'd need 4 to
cover all the shifts and then you'd have to install the gateline
hardware and make sure there was sufficient circulation room to avoid
crushes at the gateline and so on and so on....

I can't see anyone having a problem with more staff at DLR stations. Except
maybe the franchise operators shareholders. Who is running it this week
anyway?

Yeah - pity about the £12M per annum staff only cost , let alone the
cost of running the gateline plus staff facilities (where do they go to
the toilet?) and so on.

(before you question it, £30k per person, 4.5 people to cover 19 hours
per day all week, 2 people on duty at any one time, so 9 people per
station, 45 stations)

Yeah, clearly an impossibility as demonstrated by it being done by LU and
virtually every TOC in the country now.

And its not like the DLR has had to extend its train lengths twice and is
absolutely rammed so gets little income from the fare pot.

It's not impossible - it's a case of what you'd gain from the spend -
better revenue protection for TfL perhaps, but that's about it.