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On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 10:49:07AM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote: I can't remember the exact speed, but at something very roughly around 30mph most vehicle noises comes from the tyres anyway so on high speed roads it won't make much difference noise wise. On rows with slow moving traffic OTOH it could improve residents lives immensely. So, London then? Traffic flows just fine in the vast majority of London, where the vast majority of Londoners live, at about 30mph. -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world What is the difference between hearing aliens through the fillings in your teeth and hearing Jesus in your heart? |
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On 06/07/2018 13:34, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 10:49:07AM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote: I can't remember the exact speed, but at something very roughly around 30mph most vehicle noises comes from the tyres anyway so on high speed roads it won't make much difference noise wise. On rows with slow moving traffic OTOH it could improve residents lives immensely. So, London then? Traffic flows just fine in the vast majority of London, where the vast majority of Londoners live, at about 30mph. Please cite evidence because this is just not my experience for the large majority of roads in London that I travel on and/or have seen. Yes - sections of arterial road and the north circular etc may well do, but that's not the vast majority of London, and I would challenge anyone outside of those roads to even do 15 miles in an hour, let alone 30. |
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On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 01:56:47PM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote:
On 06/07/2018 13:34, David Cantrell wrote: Traffic flows just fine in the vast majority of London, where the vast majority of Londoners live, at about 30mph. Yes - sections of arterial road and the north circular etc may well do, but that's not the vast majority of London, and I would challenge anyone outside of those roads to even do 15 miles in an hour, let alone 30. I recommend that you explore away from the major arterial roads and away from the centre. None of the bits of outer London that I regularly drive through are clogged up and slow. -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat European immigration: making Britain great since AD43 |
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On 06/07/2018 13:34, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 10:49:07AM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote: I can't remember the exact speed, but at something very roughly around 30mph most vehicle noises comes from the tyres anyway so on high speed roads it won't make much difference noise wise. On rows with slow moving traffic OTOH it could improve residents lives immensely. So, London then? Traffic flows just fine in the vast majority of London, where the vast majority of Londoners live, at about 30mph. Which, presumably, explains why the average speed of traffic in London is about 8mph. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 06/07/2018 13:34, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 10:49:07AM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote: I can't remember the exact speed, but at something very roughly around 30mph most vehicle noises comes from the tyres anyway so on high speed roads it won't make much difference noise wise. On rows with slow moving traffic OTOH it could improve residents lives immensely. So, London then? Traffic flows just fine in the vast majority of London, where the vast majority of Londoners live, at about 30mph. Which, presumably, explains why the average speed of traffic in London is about 8mph. I suspect different definitions of “London” are being used. I would guess the 8 mph is central London, which is not where the majority of “Londoners” live. Robin |
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On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 01:59:22PM +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 06/07/2018 13:34, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 10:49:07AM +0100, Someone Somewhere wrote: On 04/07/2018 10:07, wrote: I can't remember the exact speed, but at something very roughly around 30mph most vehicle noises comes from the tyres anyway so on high speed roads it won't make much difference noise wise. On rows with slow moving traffic OTOH it could improve residents lives immensely. So, London then? Traffic flows just fine in the vast majority of London, where the vast majority of Londoners live, at about 30mph. Which, presumably, explains why the average speed of traffic in London is about 8mph. The average speed in London is *not* 8 mph. It's 8.something in *central* London, and the average over *all* of London, including the centre, is 19.something. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club" THIS IS THE LANGUAGE POLICE PUT DOWN YOUR THESAURUS STEP AWAY FROM THE CLICHE |
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On 09/07/2018 11:31, David Cantrell wrote:
The average speed in London is *not* 8 mph. It's 8.something in *central* London, and the average over *all* of London, including the centre, is 19.something. According to TfL, it was 7.8mph in central London, and 17.4 everywhere else in 2017 Expect major problems over the next year or three as various bits of the Victoria embankment get closed in one or both directions while they update the sewer under it. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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In message , at 13:14:59 on Mon, 9 Jul
2018, John Williamson remarked: The average speed in London is *not* 8 mph. It's 8.something in *central* London, and the average over *all* of London, including the centre, is 19.something. According to TfL, it was 7.8mph in central London, and 17.4 everywhere else in 2017 Given the rollout of whole boroughs limited to 20mph I find the latter figure hard to believe. Expect major problems over the next year or three as various bits of the Victoria embankment get closed in one or both directions while they update the sewer under it. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:14:59 on Mon, 9 Jul 2018, John Williamson remarked: The average speed in London is *not* 8 mph. It's 8.something in *central* London, and the average over *all* of London, including the centre, is 19.something. According to TfL, it was 7.8mph in central London, and 17.4 everywhere else in 2017 Given the rollout of whole boroughs limited to 20mph I find the latter figure hard to believe. A quick glance suggests that there are _no_ boroughs that are 100% 20mph; it varies of course, but in general the "first mile" and "last mile" roads are more likely to be 20mph and the "middle 8 miles" tend to higher. Perhaps you could name a borough that you think is 100% 20mph and I'll point out the roads in it which aren't. Cheers, -- Mike Bristow |
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